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WotC Announces OGL 1.1 -- Revised Terms, Royalties, and Annual Revenue Reporting
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<blockquote data-quote="Matt Thomason" data-source="post: 8895666" data-attributes="member: 6777331"><p>The thing here is that the text of the 1.1 OGL does not matter if you are not a party to it. Unless you agree to the 1.1 OGL, you are not bound by anything within it.</p><p></p><p>They <em>may</em> have the power to de-authorize 1.0a by contacting you directly and telling you that you are no longer allowed to use it, and by doing it for people that are using the 1.1 OGL, but they almost certainly cannot do so simply by putting it in a license you are not a party to, any more than they can do so by writing it on a piece of paper and putting it in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard." </p><p></p><p>Additionally, licenses in general normally only affect production and entrance into the retail system. Existing stock that has left the publisher's warehouse is very rarely recallable unless it was actually in violation of something at the time of publication. The last thing I remember anything like this happening with is the Aeon RPG, which quickly had to send out a bunch of stickers for retailers to shove on the cover renaming it "Trinity" - this sticks in my mind because I managed to persuade my retailer to let me buy it without the stickers applied <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> ). </p><p></p><p>A recent example - Warlord Games' license from the BBC to produce Doctor Who miniatures ended, and they were required to destroy any stock remaining at the end of 2022. This does <em>not</em> extend to retailers stock, who are still free to sell the inventory of miniatures that was produced and distributed to them while the license still stood. Any attempt to do that would soon cause all kinds of legal repurcussions as everyone sues everyone else up the chain from them for selling them something that is not legal for sale.</p><p></p><p>All of this aside, even though it does not appear they can legally do that, it wouldn't be impossible for them to claim they can anyway, take people to court and destroy them with legal fees. We should always be aware of that possibility.</p><p></p><p>All of <em>that</em> aside, it's also extremely unlikely they would do anything as self-harming as putting the outlets they rely on to sell their product at risk.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Matt Thomason, post: 8895666, member: 6777331"] The thing here is that the text of the 1.1 OGL does not matter if you are not a party to it. Unless you agree to the 1.1 OGL, you are not bound by anything within it. They [I]may[/I] have the power to de-authorize 1.0a by contacting you directly and telling you that you are no longer allowed to use it, and by doing it for people that are using the 1.1 OGL, but they almost certainly cannot do so simply by putting it in a license you are not a party to, any more than they can do so by writing it on a piece of paper and putting it in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard." Additionally, licenses in general normally only affect production and entrance into the retail system. Existing stock that has left the publisher's warehouse is very rarely recallable unless it was actually in violation of something at the time of publication. The last thing I remember anything like this happening with is the Aeon RPG, which quickly had to send out a bunch of stickers for retailers to shove on the cover renaming it "Trinity" - this sticks in my mind because I managed to persuade my retailer to let me buy it without the stickers applied ;) ). A recent example - Warlord Games' license from the BBC to produce Doctor Who miniatures ended, and they were required to destroy any stock remaining at the end of 2022. This does [I]not[/I] extend to retailers stock, who are still free to sell the inventory of miniatures that was produced and distributed to them while the license still stood. Any attempt to do that would soon cause all kinds of legal repurcussions as everyone sues everyone else up the chain from them for selling them something that is not legal for sale. All of this aside, even though it does not appear they can legally do that, it wouldn't be impossible for them to claim they can anyway, take people to court and destroy them with legal fees. We should always be aware of that possibility. All of [I]that[/I] aside, it's also extremely unlikely they would do anything as self-harming as putting the outlets they rely on to sell their product at risk. [/QUOTE]
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