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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 9090549" data-attributes="member: 42856">No I am not saying that the current situation is optimal. I am discussing what is, currently, the state of what is possible or not. Of course laws can change, and with 190+ countries on Earth, there is a strong chance all the spectrum of outcome will exist. Laws changed when copyright was created (initially at the benefit of printers, not authors, in Ireland, for example), when copyrighted shifted to benefit the author, when fair use was created as an exception to a strict monopoly, when the moral rights (indefeasible) were separated from the commercial rights (with a statute of limitation), when said statute was extended, when WWI happened and it became necessary to extend the benefits of copyright because of the disruption of the wars, when it was decided that database can be copyrighted as work of the mind and so one. However, there is no telling how it will evolve. Will it include training as fair use? Will it ban AI altogether? Will it consider the need of Adobe and Google over the need of the individual artists? Will it consider the benefits of having free, average quality, art for everyone and make it a public service free for all like education? With so many countries, it's already diffcult to assess what is legal right now, and IP laws are rather converging, without speculating over what will happen and where.Also, the laws wouldn't necessarily align with what is ethical, even if could achieve a consensus about what is ethical, but that's a topic that's necessarily political and forbidden here, so I won't go into this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 9090549, member: 42856"] No I am not saying that the current situation is optimal. I am discussing what is, currently, the state of what is possible or not. Of course laws can change, and with 190+ countries on Earth, there is a strong chance all the spectrum of outcome will exist. Laws changed when copyright was created (initially at the benefit of printers, not authors, in Ireland, for example), when copyrighted shifted to benefit the author, when fair use was created as an exception to a strict monopoly, when the moral rights (indefeasible) were separated from the commercial rights (with a statute of limitation), when said statute was extended, when WWI happened and it became necessary to extend the benefits of copyright because of the disruption of the wars, when it was decided that database can be copyrighted as work of the mind and so one. However, there is no telling how it will evolve. Will it include training as fair use? Will it ban AI altogether? Will it consider the need of Adobe and Google over the need of the individual artists? Will it consider the benefits of having free, average quality, art for everyone and make it a public service free for all like education? With so many countries, it's already diffcult to assess what is legal right now, and IP laws are rather converging, without speculating over what will happen and where. Also, the laws wouldn't necessarily align with what is ethical, even if could achieve a consensus about what is ethical, but that's a topic that's necessarily political and forbidden here, so I won't go into this. [/QUOTE]

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