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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 7347962" data-attributes="member: 92511">It occurs to me, possibly and on a separate note entirely, that two of my comments might actually be able to serve each other.Given what I said about the structure of half-casters in 5e...and the overwhelming -it seems or at least very vocal- desire to get it included by its fans (or at least apathy from its once rabid detractors), that THE WARLORD could be made in the model of the Paladin/Ranger, on a half-caster, limited spell list, spells directed mostly toward the battlefield framework. Give leadership/inspirational auras and stuff...it could, conceivably, (since 5e dropped the ball on the stupifyingly obvious use of the Bard in such a role) be an Arcane Half-caster. When people start complainign abotu targets being forced to do stuff, that's some charm magic aura effect going on. When people complain about &quot;shout healing&quot;, well, that's going to need to involve some cleric magic stuff...or fluff it into some &quot;dispelling exhaustion&quot; style aura? Dunno. But it's there. The concept is in there. Subclasses more offensive, more controly/psychicy, more defensive/cleric-y (might be very similar looking/sounding to paladins). That can be worked out. But the CONCEPT is solid. It's large enough to contain its own subclasses. Big enough to &quot;be its own class&quot; (another commonly heard complaint from its fans).I, personally, think it is just as well served as a Fighter subclass. But I'm not a fan/don't really care about it.I can see this half-caster direction working. It's doable.Someone get to work on that for folks. Great. 'Kay. Thanks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 7347962, member: 92511"] It occurs to me, possibly and on a separate note entirely, that two of my comments might actually be able to serve each other. Given what I said about the structure of half-casters in 5e...and the overwhelming -it seems or at least very vocal- desire to get it included by its fans (or at least apathy from its once rabid detractors), that THE WARLORD could be made in the model of the Paladin/Ranger, on a half-caster, limited spell list, spells directed mostly toward the battlefield framework. Give leadership/inspirational auras and stuff...it could, conceivably, (since 5e dropped the ball on the stupifyingly obvious use of the Bard in such a role) be an Arcane Half-caster. When people start complainign abotu targets being forced to do stuff, that's some charm magic aura effect going on. When people complain about "shout healing", well, that's going to need to involve some cleric magic stuff...or fluff it into some "dispelling exhaustion" style aura? Dunno. But it's there. The concept is in there. Subclasses more offensive, more controly/psychicy, more defensive/cleric-y (might be very similar looking/sounding to paladins). That can be worked out. But the CONCEPT is solid. It's large enough to contain its own subclasses. Big enough to "be its own class" (another commonly heard complaint from its fans). I, personally, think it is just as well served as a Fighter subclass. But I'm not a fan/don't really care about it. I can see this half-caster direction working. It's doable. Someone get to work on that for folks. Great. 'Kay. Thanks. [/QUOTE]

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