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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4400495" data-attributes="member: 71699">The next question you'll need to decide on is does fluff rule over crunch? You have to decide that, because in RAW there is no guide as to which actions can be performed stealthily and which can't. My view is that I don't mind my shy n00b having as much fun as my Drama-major vet; so bottom line I say yes or no based on their having cover or concealment and spending an action. Of course, like anyone I'll rule out nonsense <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> That's why I put in my posted rulings that you can stealth with a minor action. That doesn't mean I envision anyone saying 'I stretch up on tippy-toe humming the bee song... and hide' unless they're Tinkerbell.  A move of 0 has been 'clarified' by WotC as permitted. It's possibly needed in conjunction with some powers, or perhaps it's just a pro forma.  You identify here one of the pivotal decisions DMs have to make about stealth. Line one of the Stealth rules block on PHB188 reads 'Part of whatever action you are trying to perform stealthily'. Doing a bit of forensic reading, the positioning of that line as the opening article of the mechanics block marks it out for special attention. It should key your intentional stance toward everything that follows. The only mechanical consequence of successful stealth use is under the Success caption. 'You avoid notice, unheard and hidden from view. If you later attack or shout, you're no longer hidden.' Here's where the issue is. Line one should have read 'Your action...' instead of 'You', and line two should not contain 'later'. Later cannot be contained to 'later, during this action', but includes 'later, after this action'. Taken together with the white section preamble, many people adduce the wording in support of a lasting hidden condition. I've offered two takes on it A lasting hidden condition here <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=237063" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=237063</a> and only with the action here<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=236566" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=236566</a> Which is right? You'll have to decide. Meanwhile I'm penning an open letter to WotC to urge them to pick one. -vk</blockquote>

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