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<blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 1017158" data-attributes="member: 10201">Two complaints here: first, if that was the goal, i think the D20M FX system fails horribly.&nbsp; The further your Nifties for yoru setting/genre get from D&amp;D-style magic, the less helpful it is.&nbsp; I really wish they'd given us some sort of broad framework for nifties.&nbsp; I don't have any problem with something that is just one description of powers, and you can call it &quot;magic&quot; or &quot;psionics&quot; or &quot;new science&quot;.&nbsp; I have a problem with a non-extensible list.&nbsp; There's not much to help you if you want to add effects that there's no equivalent spell to.&nbsp; That's where something like Hero System, or even the broad general guidelines that Godlike and Everway use for costing powers (and M&amp;MM?--i forget) really shines. 2nd: that's exactly the failing that GURPS has, and why i laugh at the notion of considering it a generic system: it's got one magic system in the core book, instead of a meta-system for designing your magic system--or powers system, or super-science, or miracles, or whatever.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="woodelf, post: 1017158, member: 10201"] Two complaints here: first, if that was the goal, i think the D20M FX system fails horribly. The further your Nifties for yoru setting/genre get from D&D-style magic, the less helpful it is. I really wish they'd given us some sort of broad framework for nifties. I don't have any problem with something that is just one description of powers, and you can call it "magic" or "psionics" or "new science". I have a problem with a non-extensible list. There's not much to help you if you want to add effects that there's no equivalent spell to. That's where something like Hero System, or even the broad general guidelines that Godlike and Everway use for costing powers (and M&MM?--i forget) really shines. 2nd: that's exactly the failing that GURPS has, and why i laugh at the notion of considering it a generic system: it's got one magic system in the core book, instead of a meta-system for designing your magic system--or powers system, or super-science, or miracles, or whatever. [/QUOTE]

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