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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3028100" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>I would also point out that a CR appropriate encounter SHOULD be a 5 round speed bump. </p><p></p><p>If APL=EL, then you shouldn't expect the encounter to be particularly challenging. It's like expecting two orcs to be a serious challenge to a 1st level party. It just isn't.</p><p></p><p>Also, there are just far too many ways to get around this problem. Adding a second Vrock is perhaps the simplest. Or, if that's overpowering, add some smaller minions. Nothing like 2d10 dretches to make things interesting. Besides, why wasn't the vrock using his mirror image ability to get around those pesky orb attacks and whatnot?</p><p></p><p>Or, even better, grapple the knight.</p><p></p><p>I wonder something though. The knight stood up to FIVE rounds of full attacks from the vrock? What's his AC? Did the DM pay attention to the Vrock's immunities? It's got 10 points of energy resistance to just about everything. Sure, the cleric is healing, but, that's not really a problem anyway since the cleric could do the same by casting defensively.</p><p></p><p>But, in all honesty, this would accurately describe combat in any edition. Bad guy walks up to the fighter and starts beating. The rest of the party hangs back and supports.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3028100, member: 22779"] I would also point out that a CR appropriate encounter SHOULD be a 5 round speed bump. If APL=EL, then you shouldn't expect the encounter to be particularly challenging. It's like expecting two orcs to be a serious challenge to a 1st level party. It just isn't. Also, there are just far too many ways to get around this problem. Adding a second Vrock is perhaps the simplest. Or, if that's overpowering, add some smaller minions. Nothing like 2d10 dretches to make things interesting. Besides, why wasn't the vrock using his mirror image ability to get around those pesky orb attacks and whatnot? Or, even better, grapple the knight. I wonder something though. The knight stood up to FIVE rounds of full attacks from the vrock? What's his AC? Did the DM pay attention to the Vrock's immunities? It's got 10 points of energy resistance to just about everything. Sure, the cleric is healing, but, that's not really a problem anyway since the cleric could do the same by casting defensively. But, in all honesty, this would accurately describe combat in any edition. Bad guy walks up to the fighter and starts beating. The rest of the party hangs back and supports. [/QUOTE]
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