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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8070602" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>And that's a statement which you can't back up with any kind of evidence, so it's really just a baseless opinion.</p><p></p><p>I'd be unsurprised if there was some sort of yearly licensing fee to be able to keep selling these books, but it's unlikely to be large. But If you're claiming WotC take a percentage of say, Roll 20's or Fantasy Grounds' subscription fee, I'm going to say, that's almost certainly complete nonsense. Roll 20/FG support a bunch of games, and the idea that they're giving them all a cut of the sub is laughable, as is the idea that they'd only give WotC a cut. And there's not much chance they're taking a percentage of Beyond's sub fee if they aren't taking a similar cut from R20/FG.</p><p></p><p>Re: the PDFs, sure, people pirate-scan books to create PDFs, but some mediocre-to-low quality pirated PDF is not really what most consumers want, and if there's an alternative to piracy, most consumers will take it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm equally "pretty sure" they said it was when they first moved to no PDFs in 4E.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think this is the big thing - if you go legal PDF, you can guarantee than an entire friend-network will all have a copy of the PDF pretty quickly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem was that when he said this first couple of times, it was <em>wholly unconvincing</em>, because there was no legitimate digital format of 5E available at all (or if there was, it was FG/Roll20 or something, and thus an even worse experience than PDF). I remember that Beyond didn't actually have it's versions available until quite some time after he said that, as it came up a lot on the Beyond boards that he'd said that. Then for a while it was basically only on iOS (Americanocentric prats), before finally being properly done on Android.</p><p></p><p>So if that was only reason, it was a nonsense-reason at the time he said it, or WotC were absolutely incompetent in delivering on it (and yeah, even if they're going through digital partners, the buck stops with them).</p><p></p><p>Which is of course another reason to bring things in-house, so they can be more certain and deliver better. They can also be more prepared for their own design choices. Beyond are by far the most tightly connected with WotC, and they have literally outright said that WotC does not typically tell them about UAs or the like before they get published, and even with books, they often with published books, they get a surprisingly short amount of time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8070602, member: 18"] And that's a statement which you can't back up with any kind of evidence, so it's really just a baseless opinion. I'd be unsurprised if there was some sort of yearly licensing fee to be able to keep selling these books, but it's unlikely to be large. But If you're claiming WotC take a percentage of say, Roll 20's or Fantasy Grounds' subscription fee, I'm going to say, that's almost certainly complete nonsense. Roll 20/FG support a bunch of games, and the idea that they're giving them all a cut of the sub is laughable, as is the idea that they'd only give WotC a cut. And there's not much chance they're taking a percentage of Beyond's sub fee if they aren't taking a similar cut from R20/FG. Re: the PDFs, sure, people pirate-scan books to create PDFs, but some mediocre-to-low quality pirated PDF is not really what most consumers want, and if there's an alternative to piracy, most consumers will take it. I'm equally "pretty sure" they said it was when they first moved to no PDFs in 4E. I think this is the big thing - if you go legal PDF, you can guarantee than an entire friend-network will all have a copy of the PDF pretty quickly. The problem was that when he said this first couple of times, it was [I]wholly unconvincing[/I], because there was no legitimate digital format of 5E available at all (or if there was, it was FG/Roll20 or something, and thus an even worse experience than PDF). I remember that Beyond didn't actually have it's versions available until quite some time after he said that, as it came up a lot on the Beyond boards that he'd said that. Then for a while it was basically only on iOS (Americanocentric prats), before finally being properly done on Android. So if that was only reason, it was a nonsense-reason at the time he said it, or WotC were absolutely incompetent in delivering on it (and yeah, even if they're going through digital partners, the buck stops with them). Which is of course another reason to bring things in-house, so they can be more certain and deliver better. They can also be more prepared for their own design choices. Beyond are by far the most tightly connected with WotC, and they have literally outright said that WotC does not typically tell them about UAs or the like before they get published, and even with books, they often with published books, they get a surprisingly short amount of time. [/QUOTE]
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