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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9328476" data-attributes="member: 6796468">I meeeeeeeean...Tome of Battle: Book of the Nine Swords. 2 full years before 4e dropped.And that's just the first example off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty of &quot;Mythic Heroism&quot; in 3e beyond Deities and Demigods and the Epic Level Handbook.But yeah. It's definitely possible in a perfectly choreographed stunt fight to do stuff that you probably couldn't do in reality even if you -were- Jackie Chan.I'm just saying: D&amp;D isn't meant to be realistic. It's meant to be heroic fantasy/action hero fantasy. Not FATAL. And accepting that buy in is easy for pretty much every player and DM there is because that's just how D&amp;D works even if it's practically superheroic compared to reality.The idea that anything -beyond- the already superhuman nature of D&amp;D Martials somehow requiring a big narrative explanation or 'Being Magic' rather than it just being more &quot;Yeah, this is just a thing some people can do&quot; seems weird to me.Also:Yeah, that.A Fighter in Full Plate with a Shield has a 20% chance of an Adult Red Dragon hitting their armor but not hurting the person underneath it. A Predator the size of an Elephant will hit you and not hurt you.That's some superhuman stuff, right there!Or: Take Away/Severely Nerf the Wizard's damaging spellcasting. They'd still be able to go to the Demiplane of comfiness or whatever, but no Orbital Laser.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9328476, member: 6796468"] I meeeeeeeean... Tome of Battle: Book of the Nine Swords. 2 full years before 4e dropped. And that's just the first example off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty of "Mythic Heroism" in 3e beyond Deities and Demigods and the Epic Level Handbook. But yeah. It's definitely possible in a perfectly choreographed stunt fight to do stuff that you probably couldn't do in reality even if you -were- Jackie Chan. I'm just saying: D&D isn't meant to be realistic. It's meant to be heroic fantasy/action hero fantasy. Not FATAL. And accepting that buy in is easy for pretty much every player and DM there is because that's just how D&D works even if it's practically superheroic compared to reality. The idea that anything -beyond- the already superhuman nature of D&D Martials somehow requiring a big narrative explanation or 'Being Magic' rather than it just being more "Yeah, this is just a thing some people can do" seems weird to me. Also: Yeah, that. A Fighter in Full Plate with a Shield has a 20% chance of an Adult Red Dragon hitting their armor but not hurting the person underneath it. A Predator the size of an Elephant will hit you and not hurt you. That's some superhuman stuff, right there! Or: Take Away/Severely Nerf the Wizard's damaging spellcasting. They'd still be able to go to the Demiplane of comfiness or whatever, but no Orbital Laser. [/QUOTE]

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