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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9333489" data-attributes="member: 23751">I can't achieve most of my concepts as I envision them in 5e.&nbsp; Having to kludge a square peg into a round hole because of the lack of complexity isn't something I like doing, so I don't do it.&nbsp; Except this fails on its face.&nbsp; Many of 5e's feats do more things, but that is a weakness when it comes to character concept.&nbsp; Take Athlete.&nbsp; If I want a character that can quickly stand up from prone, I'm forced to also climb quickly and jump well, two things that break my concept.&nbsp; Dungeon Delver doesn't allow me to be someone who is a trap master, but not a secret door master.It absolutely does mean that.&nbsp; The addition of all the character destroying aspects that come with the &quot;less fiddly&quot; means exactly that.&nbsp; I cannot achieve anywhere near the same number of concepts that 3e allows, because I am forced to take things that include my PC being really good at things he isn't good at in my concept, or else he is skilled in something he isn't skilled in with my concept.&nbsp; And before you say, &quot;Well you can just ignore those things,&quot; no I can't.&nbsp; They exist within the character whether I use them or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9333489, member: 23751"] I can't achieve most of my concepts as I envision them in 5e. Having to kludge a square peg into a round hole because of the lack of complexity isn't something I like doing, so I don't do it. Except this fails on its face. Many of 5e's feats do more things, but that is a weakness when it comes to character concept. Take Athlete. If I want a character that can quickly stand up from prone, I'm forced to also climb quickly and jump well, two things that break my concept. Dungeon Delver doesn't allow me to be someone who is a trap master, but not a secret door master. It absolutely does mean that. The addition of all the character destroying aspects that come with the "less fiddly" means exactly that. I cannot achieve anywhere near the same number of concepts that 3e allows, because I am forced to take things that include my PC being really good at things he isn't good at in my concept, or else he is skilled in something he isn't skilled in with my concept. And before you say, "Well you can just ignore those things," no I can't. They exist within the character whether I use them or not. [/QUOTE]

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