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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9333904" data-attributes="member: 23751">So d20+7 is the same as d20-1?&nbsp; The former is proficiency and a good score to be good at swimming.&nbsp; The latter is non-proficient and a bad score in order to be bad at climbing.&nbsp; With a standard DC of 15 I need an 8 or higher vs. a 16 or higher.&nbsp; One of those is much better than the other.The roll is also not relevant to SKILL.&nbsp; The +7 indicates high skill no matter what you roll.&nbsp; If you fail with +7 you had bad luck.&nbsp; If you fail with -1 you are just bad at whatever it is that you are doing.5e cannot model most concepts well because it merged too much when it simplified things.&nbsp; And again, I'm not saying 5e is bad.&nbsp; It's just not even remotely as good as 3e was at achieving concepts.&nbsp; 5e concepts usually have to shove square pegs into round holes like the swimming/climbing above.&nbsp; With 3e I really can be really good at one and really bad at the other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9333904, member: 23751"] So d20+7 is the same as d20-1? The former is proficiency and a good score to be good at swimming. The latter is non-proficient and a bad score in order to be bad at climbing. With a standard DC of 15 I need an 8 or higher vs. a 16 or higher. One of those is much better than the other. The roll is also not relevant to [B][U]S[/U][/B][U][B]KILL[/B][/U]. The +7 indicates high skill no matter what you roll. If you fail with +7 you had bad luck. If you fail with -1 you are just bad at whatever it is that you are doing. 5e cannot model most concepts well because it merged too much when it simplified things. And again, I'm not saying 5e is bad. It's just not even remotely as good as 3e was at achieving concepts. 5e concepts usually have to shove square pegs into round holes like the swimming/climbing above. With 3e I really can be really good at one and really bad at the other. [/QUOTE]

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