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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9334015" data-attributes="member: 23751">Sure, because there are millions of concepts out there.&nbsp; I'm not arguing that you can't come up with concept that 5e can achieve.&nbsp; I'm saying, and this is fact, that 3e can achieve a far greater variety of concepts than 5e can.&nbsp; in 3e I can use the one you just mentioned or the one I just mentioned.&nbsp; You only use the one you mentions.&nbsp; Right there I have more character concepts available to me, and that's not large enough to be the tip of an iceberg.Handwaving = kludging.&nbsp; You're settling for something that isn't really the concept, but you are okay with that and don't see the value in a more accurate representation. That's fine.&nbsp; You not seeing the value in what 3e offered, though, doesn't change the math.&nbsp; 3e still offers orders of magnitude more character concept options than 5e does.&nbsp; That is mathematical fact.&nbsp; Those options do&nbsp; have value to a lot of us.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9334015, member: 23751"] Sure, because there are millions of concepts out there. I'm not arguing that you can't come up with concept that 5e can achieve. I'm saying, and this is fact, that 3e can achieve a far greater variety of concepts than 5e can. in 3e I can use the one you just mentioned or the one I just mentioned. You only use the one you mentions. Right there I have more character concepts available to me, and that's not large enough to be the tip of an iceberg. Handwaving = kludging. You're settling for something that isn't really the concept, but you are okay with that and don't see the value in a more accurate representation. That's fine. You not seeing the value in what 3e offered, though, doesn't change the math. 3e still offers orders of magnitude more character concept options than 5e does. That is mathematical fact. Those options do have value to a lot of us. [/QUOTE]

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