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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dm4hire" data-source="post: 4073790" data-attributes="member: 14848">I can kind of see Epoch's stance here about the cutting of classes and races, it makes it sound incomplete by turning around and saying they'll be in another source book.  The classes and races in 3.5 were pretty much everything from 3.0 and 2.0 and for the most part 1st with a few exceptions and a couple of additions.I think if WotC would have actually got player input instead of saying, "well we talked to our 'playtesters' and all the players who talked with us at conventions and this is what we came up with."  Those playtesters and players tend to be the same people every convention.  They weren't the entire player base.  A small percentage doesn't represent the entire community.  WotC should have announced, "Hey we're going to come out with a new edition.  We want your input.  Answer these questions in Dragon or Dungeon mailing them in, fill out our surveys at conventions, or go to our website and take the survey there."  They could have even just disguised it by doing surveys about different parts.  True they have product surveys in their books but those aren't comprehensive and most people are ticked about them because they glue them in the middle of their book.  Then they should have set a finite number of responses to wait on or at least a decent period of response time to get more accurate responses, say 3-6 months.  Pour over the data and post the results so you get even more feed back (i.e. 75% prefer Tiefling over Gnomes or this is the ranking of the races).Instead we have what we have now.  People asking what happened to my class/race and why?  I don't mind they asked playtesters or players at conventions, but if you post a summery stating "The following survey was taken with 10,000 responses sent in and this is the results."  Most people won't argue those kind of numbers.  Just telling me you asked playtesters or players at conventions doesn't cut it when you could be talking about 20 or 30 people.  No one can argue against it like I said if the majority of us turn around and ask "well I did the survey did you?"  Cause I know everyone on here would have taken a survey if they'd know about it.  It would have been on every message board and group on and off line.If you give the people what they want they will be happy and keep quiet.  If you don't ask them what they want you find yourself facing the guillotine asking "What?  Was there something wrong with the cake?"  So take note WotC for 5.0, do a survey before cutting things out.</blockquote>

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