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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 9627179" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>Yeah, it's this, mostly.</p><p></p><p>We all have our own unique morals and ethics, and thus we all have to decide where our lines are. WotC is a bad business with bad business practices. I think we can all agree with the facts on that. I think [USER=7006]@DEFCON 1[/USER] is correct that this latest thing doesn't seem at all likely to move the needle for anybody that's still on board (which, to be clear, is still <strong><em>a lot of people</em></strong>). Some people drew the lines at the Pinkertons. Or the OGL. Or the Hadozee. Or the Book of Cylinders. Or Chult. Or the Vistani. Or the Mearls/Zak S nonsense. Or Chult, again. Ad infinitum.</p><p></p><p>It's all a matter of scales and balances. How much each "bad action" weighs on anyone's own scale is going to be a deeply personal thing. And on the other end of the scale is... well, that's the thing, isn't it? For everyone it will be different. Maybe there's a weight for "How necessary is this thing to my life?". Maybe it's "How necessary is this thing to my enjoyment of life?" Maybe it's just "How much do I really think this thing?" And then there's the weights labelled "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism." and "How much is my individual consumer choice worth, in the grand scheme of things?"</p><p></p><p>Sometimes the answer is clear, like "oh hey, a good chunk of the money I would spend on this book is being spent directly to make life for worse for transgender people." Sometimes the line is fuzzier, like going to see the movie of the book made hundreds of people, many of them quite awesome. And sometimes the line is purposefully obfuscatory, like those commercials that make you feel shame for leaving a light switch on being sponsored by some of the largest polluting companies in the world. </p><p></p><p>The truth is, the only way for consumer action to actually have an effect on <em>anything at all </em>is through a boycott, and boycotts are largely ineffective unless they are at least semi-organized and widespread. Otherwise all we're really doing is just pointing fingers at each other over drops in a bucket while the real bad actors are diving into their giant pits of gold coins, ala Scrooge McDuck.</p><p></p><p></p><p>tl;dr: Everyone has to make their own consumer choices based on their own personal morals and ethics, and unless you are ready to help organize a full-blown boycott your shaming over it does less than nothing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 9627179, member: 57112"] Yeah, it's this, mostly. We all have our own unique morals and ethics, and thus we all have to decide where our lines are. WotC is a bad business with bad business practices. I think we can all agree with the facts on that. I think [USER=7006]@DEFCON 1[/USER] is correct that this latest thing doesn't seem at all likely to move the needle for anybody that's still on board (which, to be clear, is still [B][I]a lot of people[/I][/B]). Some people drew the lines at the Pinkertons. Or the OGL. Or the Hadozee. Or the Book of Cylinders. Or Chult. Or the Vistani. Or the Mearls/Zak S nonsense. Or Chult, again. Ad infinitum. It's all a matter of scales and balances. How much each "bad action" weighs on anyone's own scale is going to be a deeply personal thing. And on the other end of the scale is... well, that's the thing, isn't it? For everyone it will be different. Maybe there's a weight for "How necessary is this thing to my life?". Maybe it's "How necessary is this thing to my enjoyment of life?" Maybe it's just "How much do I really think this thing?" And then there's the weights labelled "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism." and "How much is my individual consumer choice worth, in the grand scheme of things?" Sometimes the answer is clear, like "oh hey, a good chunk of the money I would spend on this book is being spent directly to make life for worse for transgender people." Sometimes the line is fuzzier, like going to see the movie of the book made hundreds of people, many of them quite awesome. And sometimes the line is purposefully obfuscatory, like those commercials that make you feel shame for leaving a light switch on being sponsored by some of the largest polluting companies in the world. The truth is, the only way for consumer action to actually have an effect on [I]anything at all [/I]is through a boycott, and boycotts are largely ineffective unless they are at least semi-organized and widespread. Otherwise all we're really doing is just pointing fingers at each other over drops in a bucket while the real bad actors are diving into their giant pits of gold coins, ala Scrooge McDuck. tl;dr: Everyone has to make their own consumer choices based on their own personal morals and ethics, and unless you are ready to help organize a full-blown boycott your shaming over it does less than nothing. [/QUOTE]
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