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<blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5436756" data-attributes="member: 6667746">I have no horse in the race the rest involved, so removed it....Going strong does not equal leading the market. White Wolf is still &quot;going strong&quot;, but where are they at?Since this was in response, toa&nbsp; response to me, I feel partially responsible from preventing a fight where none was intended.In regards to the busines models, the company trying to nickle and dime people is losing ground to those that is freely offering things to people.The one trying to grab for every cent you have isn't doing as well as they were when faced with a company willing to give you everything and also willing to take you money if you feel like giving it to them.It shows, in the context of this thread, that the ideology shift, may be a very big problem.One that may very well protect the D&amp;D IP into oblivion, and I don't mean Elder Scrolls.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shadzar, post: 5436756, member: 6667746"] I have no horse in the race the rest involved, so removed it.... Going strong does not equal leading the market. White Wolf is still "going strong", but where are they at? Since this was in response, toa response to me, I feel partially responsible from preventing a fight where none was intended. In regards to the busines models, the company trying to nickle and dime people is losing ground to those that is freely offering things to people. The one trying to grab for every cent you have isn't doing as well as they were when faced with a company willing to give you everything and also willing to take you money if you feel like giving it to them. It shows, in the context of this thread, that the ideology shift, may be a very big problem. One that may very well protect the D&D IP into oblivion, and I don't mean Elder Scrolls. [/QUOTE]

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