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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9728294" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>A Larian BG4 almost certainly could.</p><p></p><p>DOS2 was better than DOS1. BG3 was better than DOS2. There's no reason to believe BG4 by Larian wouldn't have been at least as good as, if not better than BG3, because Larian have been on a straight track of making better and better decisions re: CRPGs for quite a long time now.</p><p></p><p>But maybe their "good decisions" include ditching BG/WotC to make whatever game it is they're making now? We'll see.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nah.</p><p></p><p>If it was even 80% as good as BG3 people would love it and be incredibly impressed, and a lot of people would act like it was better than BG3, just because it was newer, had better graphics, used D&D 6E or w/e, and so on. Hell, if it was even 50% as good as BG3, it would enter a top ten of CRPGs ever, and people would be very positive about it.</p><p></p><p>But unfortunately it's more likely we'd be looking at something much worse than that, because of this issue:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Who indeed?</p><p></p><p>I can think of only two realistic candidates given Larian is out.</p><p></p><p>1) Obsidian. Obsidian have a long track record of making pretty great RPGs and CRPGs and seem to be on track to be getting better and better at it. Unfortunately they're owned by Microsoft, who seem to be in a bit of a death spiral games-wise at the moment, but on the flipside, most WotC leadership is ex-Microsoft, so maybe it'd be easier to get them for it? I think they could make a BG4 both good and different enough that it'd be accepted as a good game so long as it was a good game, comparisons notwithstanding.</p><p></p><p>2) Owlcat. Owlcat are also on an upward curve quality-of-CRPG-wise, and are moving into the AAA space (from the AA space), and are specialists in making RPGs/CRPGs based on other people's IPs. Do they have writers as good as Larian? No, but they have ones a lot better than Larian had for DOS2, and could make them better still. They're independent, too.</p><p></p><p>Using an in-house studio though as WotC seems to want is as Blade put it "ice-skating uphill", and yes, as Blade said, some MFers, WotC in this case, do want to do that. But it'd be a terrible idea.</p><p></p><p>Also because we're looking at 4+ years from now before they even start on this, most likely, there's the possibility Larian absolutely own themselves with their next game or two, and that they don't sell anywhere near as much as expected (unlikely, I think, but not impossible if Swen leads them into a blind alley), and maybe Larian will be able to say "Well, WotC has changed, so let's make BG4!".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9728294, member: 18"] A Larian BG4 almost certainly could. DOS2 was better than DOS1. BG3 was better than DOS2. There's no reason to believe BG4 by Larian wouldn't have been at least as good as, if not better than BG3, because Larian have been on a straight track of making better and better decisions re: CRPGs for quite a long time now. But maybe their "good decisions" include ditching BG/WotC to make whatever game it is they're making now? We'll see. Nah. If it was even 80% as good as BG3 people would love it and be incredibly impressed, and a lot of people would act like it was better than BG3, just because it was newer, had better graphics, used D&D 6E or w/e, and so on. Hell, if it was even 50% as good as BG3, it would enter a top ten of CRPGs ever, and people would be very positive about it. But unfortunately it's more likely we'd be looking at something much worse than that, because of this issue: Who indeed? I can think of only two realistic candidates given Larian is out. 1) Obsidian. Obsidian have a long track record of making pretty great RPGs and CRPGs and seem to be on track to be getting better and better at it. Unfortunately they're owned by Microsoft, who seem to be in a bit of a death spiral games-wise at the moment, but on the flipside, most WotC leadership is ex-Microsoft, so maybe it'd be easier to get them for it? I think they could make a BG4 both good and different enough that it'd be accepted as a good game so long as it was a good game, comparisons notwithstanding. 2) Owlcat. Owlcat are also on an upward curve quality-of-CRPG-wise, and are moving into the AAA space (from the AA space), and are specialists in making RPGs/CRPGs based on other people's IPs. Do they have writers as good as Larian? No, but they have ones a lot better than Larian had for DOS2, and could make them better still. They're independent, too. Using an in-house studio though as WotC seems to want is as Blade put it "ice-skating uphill", and yes, as Blade said, some MFers, WotC in this case, do want to do that. But it'd be a terrible idea. Also because we're looking at 4+ years from now before they even start on this, most likely, there's the possibility Larian absolutely own themselves with their next game or two, and that they don't sell anywhere near as much as expected (unlikely, I think, but not impossible if Swen leads them into a blind alley), and maybe Larian will be able to say "Well, WotC has changed, so let's make BG4!". [/QUOTE]
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