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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8916141" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Interesting. I still don't <em>truly</em> believe it, in my heart, but if it's true, then the problem lies at a higher level, I guess in how they're reacting to the playtesting, because it's leading to them producing a product that is<em> just not very good</em>. Like, I used to think it was unfair that WotC-era adventures almost never made into "top adventures for D&D"-lists, then I went back and read some of the 2E adventures and campaigns, and I hate to say it, but they're better written and more complete in most cases (with the odd aberration like Terrible Trouble in Tragidore lol - last played it when I was 12, still mad about it at 44 - I should have been born a D&D Dwarf). I'd assumed it was merely rose-tinted specs on my part, but apparently not (also of note - a lot of 2E adventures are pretty easy to convert to 5E, so there's that - they did not convert well to 3E or 4E lol).</p><p></p><p>Also to be fair to me, I think have logical reason to be skeptical, because this isn't a new thing, and there's no way stuff like early 3E or 4E adventures has "100+ table playtests", yet they share the same basic flaws. I would love to see a playtest version of an adventure/campaign next to the final version though.</p><p></p><p>There's no accounting for it, I guess. Either they'll shape up one day or they won't. At least WotC still tends to make the best "PHB"-type books in the business!</p><p></p><p>But for me, this is the reason I personally care a lot about 3PP stuff. Not sourcebooks. Setting books can often be systemless pretty well (or implied system). I don't use many 3PP splatbooks. But adventures? 3PPs do such a good job for my money. Even if WotC just "scare off" people from making 3PP stuff, and the nobody loses any jobs and so on, even if everything was fine (it won't be lol), it seems like there will probably be fewer 3PP adventures for the 1D&D era. Depressing (because even if I'm not running 5E/1D&D I'll probably at least play in a campaign or two).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8916141, member: 18"] Interesting. I still don't [I]truly[/I] believe it, in my heart, but if it's true, then the problem lies at a higher level, I guess in how they're reacting to the playtesting, because it's leading to them producing a product that is[I] just not very good[/I]. Like, I used to think it was unfair that WotC-era adventures almost never made into "top adventures for D&D"-lists, then I went back and read some of the 2E adventures and campaigns, and I hate to say it, but they're better written and more complete in most cases (with the odd aberration like Terrible Trouble in Tragidore lol - last played it when I was 12, still mad about it at 44 - I should have been born a D&D Dwarf). I'd assumed it was merely rose-tinted specs on my part, but apparently not (also of note - a lot of 2E adventures are pretty easy to convert to 5E, so there's that - they did not convert well to 3E or 4E lol). Also to be fair to me, I think have logical reason to be skeptical, because this isn't a new thing, and there's no way stuff like early 3E or 4E adventures has "100+ table playtests", yet they share the same basic flaws. I would love to see a playtest version of an adventure/campaign next to the final version though. There's no accounting for it, I guess. Either they'll shape up one day or they won't. At least WotC still tends to make the best "PHB"-type books in the business! But for me, this is the reason I personally care a lot about 3PP stuff. Not sourcebooks. Setting books can often be systemless pretty well (or implied system). I don't use many 3PP splatbooks. But adventures? 3PPs do such a good job for my money. Even if WotC just "scare off" people from making 3PP stuff, and the nobody loses any jobs and so on, even if everything was fine (it won't be lol), it seems like there will probably be fewer 3PP adventures for the 1D&D era. Depressing (because even if I'm not running 5E/1D&D I'll probably at least play in a campaign or two). [/QUOTE]
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