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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 1032634" data-attributes="member: 518">But the problem w/ prmoting the core 3.5 rules or whatever is still the matter of complexity.Fact is while the mechanics are simple D&amp;D 3E/3.5 is NOT an easy game to learn..especially for a newbie DM. It's extremely intimdating w/ all the modifiers, skills,feats, rules exceptions, ex/sup/sp abilities, all the various &quot;conditions&quot;, etc.On the other hand, the original Basic set made me WANT to be a DM, not SCARED to be one which I'm sure is how many newbie DM's in thier early teens would feel grabbing the 3 current books.The reason the adventure game release for 3.0 didn't do well was because it didn't nearly have the same amount of usefullness as the BD&amp;D line. It had an extremely watered down version of the rules (and things like initiative weren't even rolled for, everyones initiative was always the same), you couldn't create characters, and had a booklet of rather unispired adventures. It was sorely lacking and incomplete. Quite simple to learn and play, but when the time comes for someone to step up to the full rule-set it's like getting hit w/ a Mack truck because the AG was TOO &quot;dumbed down&quot;If you look at the majority of current 3.X players (based on previous polls) on this site (and I suspect in that regard ENWorld is a fairly representative sampling), we started out w/ the various versions of the basic set. It's those sets that KEPT &amp; INCREASED&nbsp; our interest over the years. I can honestly say had I been give the D&amp;D adventure game and my first adventure was Save the Unicorn from the Goblins (BARF), instead of something like oh say..In Search of the Unknown, Keep on the Borderlands, Palace of the Silver Princess, or trying to track down Bargle, I suspect many of us would not be here @ this site.D&amp;D needs another Basic set..preferrably the light blue (77) or pink box (81) in style, not the red one (83) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 1032634, member: 518"] But the problem w/ prmoting the core 3.5 rules or whatever is still the matter of complexity. Fact is while the mechanics are simple D&D 3E/3.5 is NOT an easy game to learn..especially for a newbie DM. It's extremely intimdating w/ all the modifiers, skills,feats, rules exceptions, ex/sup/sp abilities, all the various "conditions", etc. On the other hand, the original Basic set made me WANT to be a DM, not SCARED to be one which I'm sure is how many newbie DM's in thier early teens would feel grabbing the 3 current books. The reason the adventure game release for 3.0 didn't do well was because it didn't nearly have the same amount of usefullness as the BD&D line. It had an extremely watered down version of the rules (and things like initiative weren't even rolled for, everyones initiative was always the same), you couldn't create characters, and had a booklet of rather unispired adventures. It was sorely lacking and incomplete. Quite simple to learn and play, but when the time comes for someone to step up to the full rule-set it's like getting hit w/ a Mack truck because the AG was [b]TOO[/b] "dumbed down" If you look at the majority of current 3.X players (based on previous polls) on this site (and I suspect in that regard ENWorld is a fairly representative sampling), we started out w/ the various versions of the basic set. It's those sets that KEPT & INCREASED our interest over the years. I can honestly say had I been give the D&D adventure game and my first adventure was Save the Unicorn from the Goblins (BARF), instead of something like oh say..In Search of the Unknown, Keep on the Borderlands, Palace of the Silver Princess, or trying to track down Bargle, I suspect many of us would not be here @ this site. D&D [b]needs[/b] another Basic set..preferrably the light blue (77) or pink box (81) in style, not the red one (83) ;) [/QUOTE]

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