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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cignus_pfaccari" data-source="post: 5645812" data-attributes="member: 14557">In our group of about 5-6 people, about 2 people really grok rituals.  I'm not one of them.  I dutifully kept up with them on my cleric (and found a few nice ones, like that "make a temple for the night*" one in Divine Power), but didn't really like them.  It's partly because as a cleric, I'd always do worse than the party's wizard, because with a very few exceptions, they all ran off of Int-based skills, and so the only ones that I was able to shine on were the curative types.It's also because, frankly, as presented, they take a lot more record-keeping than other aspects of the game, so you have to have the books to reference them when doing them, and that's one thing that 4e kind of discourages, what with power cards and such.Hrm, the two people in my group who like rituals used to be big 3/.5e caster players...when I played casters (spontaneous only), I would do spreadsheets with my spells and their effects/range/costs etc, so I wouldn't have to reference the book.* - "You walk in, and you hear Norwegian church-burning death metal playing softly in the background."  "...WHAT THE HELL deity do you worship?"Brad</blockquote>