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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 5661513" data-attributes="member: 27160">What I suggested is not even remotely what "Rarity" does.  There is no second resource - just DM whim.  That's not a rule system - it's a cop-out.And this is also a problem - the items can be sold - but only to allow huge amounts of ritual use (not really consumables in general - most of them are "uncommon").  In other words, the treasure system is still geared to a gold-equivalency of magic items, but without the ability to spend gold on magic items.  It's a borked-up mess.And a "deeper look" amounts to just bunging it into "DM fiat"???  Come on, surely we can do better than that.  All character elements are resource limited selections - permanent items should be no different.  Different resources are necessary for radically different "classes" of character element - just as getting healing surges from the same "resource pot" as feats come from would not work, neither will rituals and items from the same exact pot.Plot devices should be a separate category, I agree.  Hence Artifacts as a distinct class from items; an analogous class is needed (and arguably exists, in examples if not in explicit rules) for rituals and consumable items.What is needed now is a resource for magic items.  Having gold be part of the mix would be fine - it could cover finer gradations of power pretty well as a trade-off against consumable availability - but some limitation that leaves gold for rituals and consumables would help.  Kicking magic items into DM candy land as "Artifacts, but less interesting" is just a horrible waste of a lesson that I thought had been learned from examining previous editions.Items are character elements - they should be player, not DM, choices (limited, as with all other character elements, by resources).  This is what they should always have been, in my strong opinion.  It reduces hassle for the DM, increases fun for the players and adds a fun "party building" element not added by any other feature in the game.  Items represent abilities used by the characters according to the tactics of the players to overcome in-game challenges - as such they are character elements, not setting or scenario elements.  Punting them to the DM I find (a) the wrong place for them to be and (b) lazy, poor design.I don't see XP as a good resource for any character element, really.  Either the use of the element can lead to more XP earned - which is essentially the same as saying they're free - or those using these elements will progress more slowly, which will make them easily as unpopular as they are now.</blockquote>

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