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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9797652" data-attributes="member: 7030563">And your opinion does not represent most players either.I said I don't think this works for most players.  Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong.  It does not work for most players I play with and does not seem to work for most on this thread.  They don't represent millions, but then neither do you.Exactly!.  That is why I said I don't think it works for most players.  That statement is 100% factually true - I don't think it works for most players.You just came out and stated it like it was a fact that most players are fine with this, without offering any sort of evidence to support that claim.  Your opinion can be different than mine, that is OK, but it is an opinion with no more evidence than my opinion.Ok to start with plenty of children play D&D and children do typically exhibit child-like behavior, so I hardly think that is a valid criticism unless you don't ever play with children in your games.That said the two players mentioned were adults.  Note these are not the only players or even only adults who I have played with who have abandoned players.  Just the two that abandoned them over magic weapons.  I have played 5E with well over 100 different people and probably over 200.To answer your other specific questions:1. Pillars:  Both these two particular games had emphasis on all three phases, but both the players in question built their PC intending to excel at combat and they did not excel at combat.2. Yes they were.  They were not just willing, they were happy to do this.3. That is oversimplifying it, but at the end of the day yes.  Do you need a more detailed answer (I gave some limited details in my original post, but I will expand if you really need to know).4. Not these two players no.It is not a fact, again that is an opinion.  Maybe it is silly and ridiculous to you, but you were not the one playing the character.  And just because I wouldn't do this (and haven't) or you wouldn't do this does not mean others won't do this or that they are wrong when they do.It also doesn't mean they are "playing wrong" if they want to abandon their character, and if that makes the game more enjoyable for them, then I would argue it is actually "right" regardless of how silly you think it is.While we are talking about silly and ridiculous, maybe it is silly and ridiculous to some that they are offered Intelligence as an ASI instead of Dexterity when they take a Guard background?</blockquote>

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