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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9797946" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Yes and they felt creating a new character would be more fun for them at the table, and I believe it was.It is oversimplifying it because it had to do with their entire character design and their intended role in the party, not only the magic +1 weapon. Also it is more than a 5% difference.  A drop in attack rolls and damage is going to average quite a bit more than a 5% reduction in number of hits and damage.  In tier 2 losing that +1 will cut your damage by about 10-20% typically, more than that VS very high AC when an enemy is difficult to hit.For example, both of these characters I talked about had the 2014 GWM: doing 21 damage per hit with a 35% hit rate is 7.35 DPA, doing 20 damage with a 30% hit rate is 6 DPA.  So that is an 18% reduction in damage due to that loss in +1, not a 5% reduction.  Add on to that we were at a level where many monsters were resistant to non-magic weapons, which would make it effectively a 59% reduction in damage.  I don't know those numbers are accurate for those characters, but they are pretty close.A basic 1st level Fighter using a longsword and dueling going from a 15 strength to a 16 strength vs 14AC goes from 4.96 DPR with 15 Strength to 5.93 DPR with 16.  That is a 20% increase in damage.  Using a Greataxe with Cleave it will take you from 7.15 to  8.56, likewise a 20% increase, dual wielding a shortsword and scimitar with Vex-Nick-TWF  it goes from 7.24DPR to 9.18DPR a 27% increase in damage.  Not enough to make me scrap my character, but certainly enough to be noticeable.</blockquote>

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