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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9798183" data-attributes="member: 23751">This is fairly blatantly false statement.  They do in fact afford that.  In all of them you can pick at least two that do make sense thematically, and two is all you need.I'm sorry, but two wrongs don't make a right.  That they have included a few stats that are not thematically correct doesn't mean that it should just all be tossed out of the window and every thematically incorrect stat should be on the table. Rather the answer is to correct the few thematically wrong stats.So your position is that criminal geniuses shouldn't be smart?  Strength is only used by thugs, a rather small portion of criminals and those thugs generally use charisma more than their strength as they intimidate businesses into paying the protection money or convince deadbeats to pay up on the loan.The wayfarer is the new name for the urchin.  Read the background.  It's not about a wanderer.Because they are beggars who live off their ability to get people to give them money.ROFL  Sculptors and criminal masterminds are not corner cases.  A corner case is your dex guard.Um, no.  My argument is not dependent on WotC in any way, shape or form.  No it's not.  That's not even close to being correct.  Having government backup doesn't suddenly raise your charisma, or every PC would get a charisma bump whenever the local lord hires them to do something.Guards are law enforcement in D&D.  A bodyguard is something different.  Right.  The guard is there to thump you with the strength he was trained to have, take hits with the con he was trained to have, and figure out your lies with the wisdom he was trained to have. He's the back-up to the law.You got me!  That gun totally has a 20 charisma and intimidated me.  The guard, not so much. Having a weapon =/= charisma, no matter how much you would like it to.And you don't know that until after you interact with them.  A lot of people get intimidated by big guys who are very gentle.Then change it and stop complaining about it.  If I ever run 5.5e, I will be changing all those wrong stats to ones that make sense, like con for guards.The answer is to fix the ones that are wrong, not add tons of more wrong stats to take.At the end of the day, if you allowed all 6 abilities, every single background could be used to have two or three thematically incorrect stats in the PC with the background.  As it stands you cannot do that.  What you propose makes the problem worse, not better.There is no contradiction in what I have been saying.What it boils down to is that you'd rather make the problem worse, than to make it better.  I would rather make it better.  The argument, "Look over there!  That one does it a little wrong, so we should be able to do everything wrong!" fails on its face.  Nothing you have said is a good reason to open up all 6 stats to all backgrounds.  Compounding the problem isn't making it better.</blockquote>

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