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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 7669635" data-attributes="member: 2067">I think a general "magic crafter" is probably big enough for its own class conceptually, but mechanically, it's a tougher nut to crack.I still don't have a clear idea of how a character who works with temporary magic items - invented in a lab, concocted with potions, carved in runic script, woven with ancient elven whispers, melded by gnomish shadow-crafters, or born out of the fires of the Forge of Moradin - would use that differently at the level of play from the Spellcasting mechanics.If...Spells Known = Formulas KnownPrepared Spells = Prepared ItemsCasting a Spell = Activating an ItemRitual Casting = Jury-Rigging an ItemCrafting a Magic Item = ....er...Crafting a Magic Item......then the new class is just the existing spellcasting mechanic in a new coat of paint. You know, why make the player who wants to play a rune-carving dwarf take This Specific Class, and not just be a cleric or a wizard and slap a coat of paint on how they cast spells? Spellcasting (or item-inventing-that's-indistinguishable-in-play-from-spellcasting) itself is a significant class feature, but not a defining one for any class. If the magical inventor class can bring something new to the table along with its conceptual stomping-grounds, that sounds great. But if all it is is proficiencies and a fresh coat of paint on spellcasting, that sounds meaningless - a distinction without a difference. Where my axe comes down is that a lot of this sounds like "this class should be separate because it has different proficiencies and a different spell list," and that doesn't sound significant enough for me to learn an entirely new class narrative. It sounds like a good argument for a wizard subclass that is maybe the "eldritch knight of wizards," which allows a wizard character to have better proficiencies and a more limited spell list in exchange for...something... Or at least an argument for coming up with a few big mechanically defining elements that aren't basically the same as casting spells in practice.</blockquote>

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