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<blockquote data-quote="grimslade" data-source="post: 8904384" data-attributes="member: 6061"><p>I am skipping a bunch of pages of discussion here... Apologies if I missed some of the debate over definitions of lying, cyberstalking, and gaslighting.</p><p>I see we are conflating two separate issues there is broad dislikefor in the community.</p><p></p><p>Problem the first, revoking a contract unilaterally and then creating a new contract that specifically allows unilateral revision by WotC/Hasbro. This is the big deal. It undermines trust in WotC as a steward of the flagship RPG. I am not even debating the veracity of being able to accomplish this feat, in a legal sense. It makes them unreliable to form a viable contract. And if they are going to embark on Problem 2...</p><p></p><p>Problem the Second, the monetization angle. Creating digital tools and play space for D&D has always been a goal of WotC. It is a virtually untapped market for them. The problem with existing platforms is they are disparate and shallow in features. The Great White Whale would be to have a fully complete digital offering of D&D that would need subscription/ micro transactions to operate. It is why we see so many computer and digital specialists in the executive suite. The paper side is ironed out they think. They have had a successful formula for product development and release for a decade. This why we don't see pen and paper guys in VP and Product Manager titles. The problem is that any digital offering requiring payment is a contract and WotC has shown that they do not believe in honoring the original terms of a contract. The trust is broken. Plus, WotC has had a horrible track record of actually bring Digital TTRPG products to the public. DDI, Gleemax, the 3E VTT. </p><p></p><p>I do not have a problem with WotC creating a paywall service to bring D&D to the digital realm. Many of us are already cobbling together several apps to make it work now. It costs money to develop good tools and digital artwork. I do not mind paying if there is a quality product to be had. I can not, at this point, see myself joining any sort of Digital Initiative while the company is afraid of conversing with its community. Put out a good product and people will buy it. Why all the OGL chicanery? Fear of competition? Pathfinder was the closest to being a viable competitor in the WotC era, but now is a very distant second. There is no real competition to the D&D juggernaut, until you piss off the community. Until you talk down and dismiss the community. This is a disappointing shooting both feet scenario for WotC and they need to fix it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="grimslade, post: 8904384, member: 6061"] I am skipping a bunch of pages of discussion here... Apologies if I missed some of the debate over definitions of lying, cyberstalking, and gaslighting. I see we are conflating two separate issues there is broad dislikefor in the community. Problem the first, revoking a contract unilaterally and then creating a new contract that specifically allows unilateral revision by WotC/Hasbro. This is the big deal. It undermines trust in WotC as a steward of the flagship RPG. I am not even debating the veracity of being able to accomplish this feat, in a legal sense. It makes them unreliable to form a viable contract. And if they are going to embark on Problem 2... Problem the Second, the monetization angle. Creating digital tools and play space for D&D has always been a goal of WotC. It is a virtually untapped market for them. The problem with existing platforms is they are disparate and shallow in features. The Great White Whale would be to have a fully complete digital offering of D&D that would need subscription/ micro transactions to operate. It is why we see so many computer and digital specialists in the executive suite. The paper side is ironed out they think. They have had a successful formula for product development and release for a decade. This why we don't see pen and paper guys in VP and Product Manager titles. The problem is that any digital offering requiring payment is a contract and WotC has shown that they do not believe in honoring the original terms of a contract. The trust is broken. Plus, WotC has had a horrible track record of actually bring Digital TTRPG products to the public. DDI, Gleemax, the 3E VTT. I do not have a problem with WotC creating a paywall service to bring D&D to the digital realm. Many of us are already cobbling together several apps to make it work now. It costs money to develop good tools and digital artwork. I do not mind paying if there is a quality product to be had. I can not, at this point, see myself joining any sort of Digital Initiative while the company is afraid of conversing with its community. Put out a good product and people will buy it. Why all the OGL chicanery? Fear of competition? Pathfinder was the closest to being a viable competitor in the WotC era, but now is a very distant second. There is no real competition to the D&D juggernaut, until you piss off the community. Until you talk down and dismiss the community. This is a disappointing shooting both feet scenario for WotC and they need to fix it. [/QUOTE]
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