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<blockquote data-quote="BASHMAN" data-source="post: 4135113" data-attributes="member: 8277">You know, about 2-3 months ago, I remember making a prediction: &quot;I think that WotC is going to let the 3rd party publishers twist in the wind, and at the last minute decide not to have an OGL for them to use w/ 4E to weaken/destroy some 3rd party publishers, so that they will be the only source of D&amp;D material.&quot;At the time, a lot of 4E marketing tactics apologists branded me a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist for saying so.&nbsp; Now we know that it IF they have 3rd party support is is with a &quot;GSL&quot; and not an &quot;OGL&quot; for $5k, and alsot now they are saying that &quot;Just kidding, we may not even have a GSL at all.&nbsp; Have a nice day filing chapter 11 former competitor.&quot;&nbsp; Anyone who justifies this as acceptable is a WotC employee or should be.I certainly hope this is not the way it goes-- that at least Necromancer and Goodman will get some special liscence granted in case that is true-- if they didn't allow them to publish for 4E that would be the ultimate stab in the back to these companies that even pledged to go &quot;all in&quot; way back when the $5k tribute was announced, and have likely been banking on 4e, and spending a lot of their R&amp;D on projects for it (at least I know necro has).&nbsp; To tell them &quot;oh well&quot; now is not good enough.&nbsp; If WotC does decide not to make a GSL this late in the game, I encourage ALL 3rd party publishers to use the 3.X OGL to make and support a &quot;4E OSRIC&quot;.&nbsp; I might even found a new combany called &quot;Four Elves Press&quot; and Publish lines of products like &quot;4E Fantasy Classes&quot; and &quot;4E Adventures&quot; and &quot;4E monstes &amp; booty&quot;&nbsp; All those things, while written under 3.x OGL will &quot;just by coincidence&quot; happen to be perfectly compatable w/ 4E D&amp;D, but likely say that they are for &quot;4E OSRIC and &quot;other&quot; 4th Edition Games&quot; Without stating implicitly what it is the 4th Edition of (is it GURPS 4E?&nbsp; M&amp;M?&nbsp; We just don't know...)Or on the other hand, we could make &amp; support PATHFINDER.&nbsp; I think that WotC might discover what happens when they sow the wind a few times to many.&nbsp; They can fool some of the people all the time, All of the people some of the time, but they won't fool all the people all of the time.&nbsp; Deciding this late in the game to take away the GSL would be the last straw for many people I expect.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BASHMAN, post: 4135113, member: 8277"] You know, about 2-3 months ago, I remember making a prediction: "I think that WotC is going to let the 3rd party publishers twist in the wind, and at the last minute decide not to have an OGL for them to use w/ 4E to weaken/destroy some 3rd party publishers, so that they will be the only source of D&D material." At the time, a lot of 4E marketing tactics apologists branded me a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist for saying so. Now we know that it IF they have 3rd party support is is with a "GSL" and not an "OGL" for $5k, and alsot now they are saying that "Just kidding, we may not even have a GSL at all. Have a nice day filing chapter 11 former competitor." Anyone who justifies this as acceptable is a WotC employee or should be. I certainly hope this is not the way it goes-- that at least Necromancer and Goodman will get some special liscence granted in case that is true-- if they didn't allow them to publish for 4E that would be the ultimate stab in the back to these companies that even pledged to go "all in" way back when the $5k tribute was announced, and have likely been banking on 4e, and spending a lot of their R&D on projects for it (at least I know necro has). To tell them "oh well" now is not good enough. [B]If WotC does decide not to make a GSL[/B] this late in the game, I encourage ALL 3rd party publishers to use the 3.X OGL to make and support a "4E OSRIC". I might even found a new combany called "Four Elves Press" and Publish lines of products like "4E Fantasy Classes" and "4E Adventures" and "4E monstes & booty" All those things, while written under 3.x OGL will "just by coincidence" happen to be perfectly compatable w/ 4E D&D, but likely say that they are for "4E OSRIC and "other" 4th Edition Games" Without stating implicitly what it is the 4th Edition of (is it GURPS 4E? M&M? We just don't know...) Or on the other hand, we could make & support PATHFINDER. I think that WotC might discover what happens when they sow the wind a few times to many. They can fool some of the people all the time, All of the people some of the time, but they won't fool all the people all of the time. Deciding this late in the game to take away the GSL would be the last straw for many people I expect. [/QUOTE]

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