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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8908588" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I think you are way more optimistic about how feedback works. Even in playtests, not everything is up for debate. Given how they justify their changes through that (and how quickly some people here have been willing to adopt that justification) tells me that they are unlikely to change that and that this clause is <em>part of the why they are doing it</em>. I'll put in feedback, but I have no confidence that one of the absolutely necessary things that needs to change will.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, because they are assured by nothing but the word of a liar.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, no, I mean that they found people who will accept anything given that it stops the conflict, even if it doesn't actually materially change naything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, but that doesn't matter because you've given up your biggest bargaining chip by allowing them to deauthorize 1.0a.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who cares if you agree, there is no more OGL 1.0a fallback. You've already conceded that in manufacturing consent for this rug pull.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, I highly doubt that given how quick you've been to turn around on this whole thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This "deal" that you are "going along with" doesn't matter for you as much as it matters for 3PP. You're basically giving Wizards cover to destroy the OGL 1.0a and then set terms afterwards. Who cares if you say you'll away afterwards, they've already gotten what they want.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that you don't have a deal, you have nothing. You seem to have problems grasping that everything here is completely under the whim of Wizards and if they don't want it, it's gone. Lando got better assurances in his deal with Vader than this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You <em>are</em> taking their word and I don't see how you can say any different. You've given them the absolute ability to blow it up at any given time; this is completely at their word. That you'll walk away means nothing given how quickly you were to come back in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, the win by manufacturing enough consent by making people think they are compromising when they can unilaterally cancel the whole thing and set new terms after they get what they want. I didn't think that it'd be particularly easy, but conversations like this are really proving me wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8908588, member: 6778210"] I think you are way more optimistic about how feedback works. Even in playtests, not everything is up for debate. Given how they justify their changes through that (and how quickly some people here have been willing to adopt that justification) tells me that they are unlikely to change that and that this clause is [I]part of the why they are doing it[/I]. I'll put in feedback, but I have no confidence that one of the absolutely necessary things that needs to change will. No, because they are assured by nothing but the word of a liar. Again, no, I mean that they found people who will accept anything given that it stops the conflict, even if it doesn't actually materially change naything. Yeah, but that doesn't matter because you've given up your biggest bargaining chip by allowing them to deauthorize 1.0a. Who cares if you agree, there is no more OGL 1.0a fallback. You've already conceded that in manufacturing consent for this rug pull. I mean, I highly doubt that given how quick you've been to turn around on this whole thing. This "deal" that you are "going along with" doesn't matter for you as much as it matters for 3PP. You're basically giving Wizards cover to destroy the OGL 1.0a and then set terms afterwards. Who cares if you say you'll away afterwards, they've already gotten what they want. Except that you don't have a deal, you have nothing. You seem to have problems grasping that everything here is completely under the whim of Wizards and if they don't want it, it's gone. Lando got better assurances in his deal with Vader than this. You [I]are[/I] taking their word and I don't see how you can say any different. You've given them the absolute ability to blow it up at any given time; this is completely at their word. That you'll walk away means nothing given how quickly you were to come back in the first place. No, the win by manufacturing enough consent by making people think they are compromising when they can unilaterally cancel the whole thing and set new terms after they get what they want. I didn't think that it'd be particularly easy, but conversations like this are really proving me wrong. [/QUOTE]
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