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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8908842" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I mean, I care about those changes, but those changes are utterly meaningless given WOTC's ability to completely terminate the new OGL with their morality clause.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really, though? Once they've destroyed the original OGL, you can't get it back. They've gotten what they want. You've basically lost.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, this absolutely <strong><em>does not</em></strong> do that. It has been pointed out multiple times that this does not assure that at all. They can just unilaterally cancel anyone's ability to make content through this, and by </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I never called you a liar. I've simply pointed out that you are very eager for a compromise, or whatever is being sold as such. You eagerly defended the morality clause, too, which is basically the superlaser of their OGL Death Star. I think that you are just really quick to forgive on this, which is why I don't really see your threat as a real one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I know how compromise work. I get assurances on what I want, they get assurances on what they want. They may not get everything I want, nor will I.</p><p></p><p>This deal is not a compromise. It's a surrender. They can unilaterally and without remedy cancel all these contracts if they so desire while also deauthorizing OGL 1.0a. We get nothing, they get everything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, they don't need you because they already <em>have </em>you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, they're just able to convince people with fake concessions that they don't need to be held to to get what they want.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What did they give in? They get what they want and they can completely renege on their side of things because they have a morality clause that allows them to nuke the entire thing from orbit with no arbitration.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They absolutely are okay with screwing people. I've posted examples already of them attempting to do that, and breaking good-faith contracts to do so. The evidence that they will simply go back on their word far outweighs the idea that they'll just give up, and what they've put in the OGL gives them an out on this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, you can say you got what you wanted. But the reality of the contract doesn't reflect that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, I think I understand cause and effect here better than you. They thought they could get away with it in the open, so they went as hard as they did with 1.1. With 1.2, they've had to make a cursory attempt to hide their intent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, they'll have gotten what they wanted in killing the OGL 1.0a. I just have no faith that the group that says "Oh, if they do again we'll totally stop them" when their version of a compromise is already giving WOTC to do this again without any sort of consequences or guardrails.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8908842, member: 6778210"] I mean, I care about those changes, but those changes are utterly meaningless given WOTC's ability to completely terminate the new OGL with their morality clause. Not really, though? Once they've destroyed the original OGL, you can't get it back. They've gotten what they want. You've basically lost. I mean, this absolutely [B][I]does not[/I][/B] do that. It has been pointed out multiple times that this does not assure that at all. They can just unilaterally cancel anyone's ability to make content through this, and by I never called you a liar. I've simply pointed out that you are very eager for a compromise, or whatever is being sold as such. You eagerly defended the morality clause, too, which is basically the superlaser of their OGL Death Star. I think that you are just really quick to forgive on this, which is why I don't really see your threat as a real one. Yes, I know how compromise work. I get assurances on what I want, they get assurances on what they want. They may not get everything I want, nor will I. This deal is not a compromise. It's a surrender. They can unilaterally and without remedy cancel all these contracts if they so desire while also deauthorizing OGL 1.0a. We get nothing, they get everything. No, they don't need you because they already [I]have [/I]you. No, they're just able to convince people with fake concessions that they don't need to be held to to get what they want. What did they give in? They get what they want and they can completely renege on their side of things because they have a morality clause that allows them to nuke the entire thing from orbit with no arbitration. They absolutely are okay with screwing people. I've posted examples already of them attempting to do that, and breaking good-faith contracts to do so. The evidence that they will simply go back on their word far outweighs the idea that they'll just give up, and what they've put in the OGL gives them an out on this. Sure, you can say you got what you wanted. But the reality of the contract doesn't reflect that. Actually, I think I understand cause and effect here better than you. They thought they could get away with it in the open, so they went as hard as they did with 1.1. With 1.2, they've had to make a cursory attempt to hide their intent. I mean, they'll have gotten what they wanted in killing the OGL 1.0a. I just have no faith that the group that says "Oh, if they do again we'll totally stop them" when their version of a compromise is already giving WOTC to do this again without any sort of consequences or guardrails. [/QUOTE]
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