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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8908910" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>this is going round and round... I see a victory you see a loss.</p><p></p><p>me no... you maybe. Some OC creators yes. I didn't lose anything, you need to start from the point that I do not see myself as losing here. If you want to convince me (or others like me) to continue fighting you can't start with "But you lost" because that is already not how we see it.</p><p></p><p>it doesn't say they can JUST canlce anyone for any reason... but the reason they can use mods told us to not talk about.</p><p></p><p>Here we go (toeing the line of getting this shut down or us booted) I agree with the clause we can't debate here. You disagree with it. If you want me to change you can't start from "But your wrong" that isn't an argument... but we CAN'T have an argument about it bacuase it is a topic baned for now.</p><p></p><p>okay you only miss 1 part now... everyone here has to decide what they will and wont accept. If you want to change minds you need to start from understanding what that mind cares about.</p><p></p><p>see this is it... the surrender of WHAT?!?! I got most of what I want and only a little of what I didn't, what did I surrender? </p><p></p><p>that isn't true they need a reason, and if they do it for a reason US, the PUBLIC CUSTOMERS don't like we have already shown what happens...</p><p></p><p>someone did the evil version of the pavlovas dog (please don't really do this) and hit the puppy with the rolled up newspaper for doing something wrong... now it is incentivized by not wanting to get hit by it again to not do it again. </p><p></p><p>As long as they are NOT weaponizing that deathstar laser as you call it, we reward them with treats (we buy books go to movies and talk about and play D&D) over time they like the reward and dislike the punishment... so they continue to do what we want.</p><p></p><p>they have no more money from me today then they did last Monday. they have no promise of said money (I guess since I plan to see the movie they have that).</p><p>If they go back they DO have me saying not only will I not buy more D&D I will activly promote TORG Rifts and other NOT EVEN OGL/NonD&D games... aka they not only don't have me, they run a HUGE risk of turning me into the 1 thing they don't want... anti-D&D</p><p></p><p>this is nuts, why would I NOT stand up if they went back on this?</p><p></p><p>royalties... that's the biggest, and they made the overall concept/system CC (or atleast are offering to) </p><p></p><p>We can't discus the morality clause but I do support those clauses... and if they get weaponized I 100% support turning against the company doing so... making it MAD. If they do it everyone loses.</p><p></p><p>right they aren't out to do it, they don't win by doing it and loseing stuff or doing it and getting nothing... they just dont care</p><p></p><p>and if they launch nukes MAD kicks in and we stop paying them...</p><p>When discussing the boycott of D&D i was VERY clear if they do what you say i will go to a completely different system.</p><p></p><p>i see you didnt get what you wanted but what didnt I get?</p><p></p><p>yet you think they can do the same cause for different effects</p><p></p><p>and what did they hide? </p><p></p><p>we are the gaurdrails</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8908910, member: 67338"] this is going round and round... I see a victory you see a loss. me no... you maybe. Some OC creators yes. I didn't lose anything, you need to start from the point that I do not see myself as losing here. If you want to convince me (or others like me) to continue fighting you can't start with "But you lost" because that is already not how we see it. it doesn't say they can JUST canlce anyone for any reason... but the reason they can use mods told us to not talk about. Here we go (toeing the line of getting this shut down or us booted) I agree with the clause we can't debate here. You disagree with it. If you want me to change you can't start from "But your wrong" that isn't an argument... but we CAN'T have an argument about it bacuase it is a topic baned for now. okay you only miss 1 part now... everyone here has to decide what they will and wont accept. If you want to change minds you need to start from understanding what that mind cares about. see this is it... the surrender of WHAT?!?! I got most of what I want and only a little of what I didn't, what did I surrender? that isn't true they need a reason, and if they do it for a reason US, the PUBLIC CUSTOMERS don't like we have already shown what happens... someone did the evil version of the pavlovas dog (please don't really do this) and hit the puppy with the rolled up newspaper for doing something wrong... now it is incentivized by not wanting to get hit by it again to not do it again. As long as they are NOT weaponizing that deathstar laser as you call it, we reward them with treats (we buy books go to movies and talk about and play D&D) over time they like the reward and dislike the punishment... so they continue to do what we want. they have no more money from me today then they did last Monday. they have no promise of said money (I guess since I plan to see the movie they have that). If they go back they DO have me saying not only will I not buy more D&D I will activly promote TORG Rifts and other NOT EVEN OGL/NonD&D games... aka they not only don't have me, they run a HUGE risk of turning me into the 1 thing they don't want... anti-D&D this is nuts, why would I NOT stand up if they went back on this? royalties... that's the biggest, and they made the overall concept/system CC (or atleast are offering to) We can't discus the morality clause but I do support those clauses... and if they get weaponized I 100% support turning against the company doing so... making it MAD. If they do it everyone loses. right they aren't out to do it, they don't win by doing it and loseing stuff or doing it and getting nothing... they just dont care and if they launch nukes MAD kicks in and we stop paying them... When discussing the boycott of D&D i was VERY clear if they do what you say i will go to a completely different system. i see you didnt get what you wanted but what didnt I get? yet you think they can do the same cause for different effects and what did they hide? we are the gaurdrails [/QUOTE]
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