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WotC Updates D&D's AI Policy After YouTuber's False Accusations
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 9225784" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>You're making a distinction that academics would, but most people do not. This discussion is not going to turn, on the end, on the technicalities... and AI is going to evolve quickly to do more and more that is further and further away from merely blending cut and paste.Please take a moment to firmly plant your tongue within the recess of your cheek. Ready? OK. Let's put the first half of that to the test. Drive 40 MPH above the speed limit from now on, and just take anything anytime you see someone with something you don't think they deserve. Let's see if any of these local laws actually mean anything.</p><p></p><p>As for the second half - this isn't new. The Boston Tea Party was about people across the sea impacting the lives of the people living in the states. We have always been impacted by international laws, and always will be.That must be why we don't have any copyright laws. I mean, we know certain countries do nothing to enforce copyright (as the US sees it), so obviously we don't have any copyright laws because they'd be pointless, right? Or do we, despite limitations, still rely upon these laws extensively?</p><p></p><p>Obviously, there are limitations when you have to get everyone to play ball - but when you need everyone to play ball, there are ways to force the topic. Nuclear proliferation is an example where plenty of countries want to say they have nukes - but there has been global cooperation to slow and limit the situation and to prevent the use of these weapons. When was the last nuclear war? If nothing had been done to systemically limit these situations through international accord and law, we'd likely not be here today to argue about this situation.If you need to move 10,000 lbs of water - is it easier to move when it is frozen and can be handled systemically, or when reduced to steam and allowed to move into whatever direction it wants to go? Systemic controls are far more effective at large scale implementations than relying upon individuals to self regulate. And there are countless examples where laws and systemic limitations are effective - not perfect, but effective - in creating a better world.Obviously, the systemic solution is going to be more effective faster because - as noted - relying upon people to do the right thing is entirely ineffective on a large scale. People suck. </p><p></p><p>You know the old story about the magic button that gives you a fortune, but a person you've never met would die? What happens in the end? The people push the button and then learn that ... when the next person after them pushes the button, they themelves will be the people that will die! Shocking twist! What does the story tell us? One, people suck. (All stories tell us people suck). Two, if people knew there were consequences that will be enforced on them should they do the wrong thing, they wouldn't have done the wrong thing ... but in the story, that is not realized until too late to save the people. If they knew the laws of the magic button put them at risk, they'd have avoided the risk.</p><p></p><p>Anarchy fantasies aside, there are countless works written on the need for laws and how and where they can be effective. There is some novelty here, but the fundamental premise underlying it is the same: So long as there is free will, we can't trust people to not suck, so we need to make it suck more if they're %@holes than if they play ball.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 9225784, member: 2629"] You're making a distinction that academics would, but most people do not. This discussion is not going to turn, on the end, on the technicalities... and AI is going to evolve quickly to do more and more that is further and further away from merely blending cut and paste.Please take a moment to firmly plant your tongue within the recess of your cheek. Ready? OK. Let's put the first half of that to the test. Drive 40 MPH above the speed limit from now on, and just take anything anytime you see someone with something you don't think they deserve. Let's see if any of these local laws actually mean anything. As for the second half - this isn't new. The Boston Tea Party was about people across the sea impacting the lives of the people living in the states. We have always been impacted by international laws, and always will be.That must be why we don't have any copyright laws. I mean, we know certain countries do nothing to enforce copyright (as the US sees it), so obviously we don't have any copyright laws because they'd be pointless, right? Or do we, despite limitations, still rely upon these laws extensively? Obviously, there are limitations when you have to get everyone to play ball - but when you need everyone to play ball, there are ways to force the topic. Nuclear proliferation is an example where plenty of countries want to say they have nukes - but there has been global cooperation to slow and limit the situation and to prevent the use of these weapons. When was the last nuclear war? If nothing had been done to systemically limit these situations through international accord and law, we'd likely not be here today to argue about this situation.If you need to move 10,000 lbs of water - is it easier to move when it is frozen and can be handled systemically, or when reduced to steam and allowed to move into whatever direction it wants to go? Systemic controls are far more effective at large scale implementations than relying upon individuals to self regulate. And there are countless examples where laws and systemic limitations are effective - not perfect, but effective - in creating a better world.Obviously, the systemic solution is going to be more effective faster because - as noted - relying upon people to do the right thing is entirely ineffective on a large scale. People suck. You know the old story about the magic button that gives you a fortune, but a person you've never met would die? What happens in the end? The people push the button and then learn that ... when the next person after them pushes the button, they themelves will be the people that will die! Shocking twist! What does the story tell us? One, people suck. (All stories tell us people suck). Two, if people knew there were consequences that will be enforced on them should they do the wrong thing, they wouldn't have done the wrong thing ... but in the story, that is not realized until too late to save the people. If they knew the laws of the magic button put them at risk, they'd have avoided the risk. Anarchy fantasies aside, there are countless works written on the need for laws and how and where they can be effective. There is some novelty here, but the fundamental premise underlying it is the same: So long as there is free will, we can't trust people to not suck, so we need to make it suck more if they're %@holes than if they play ball. [/QUOTE]
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