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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Twig" data-source="post: 7701225" data-attributes="member: 31754"><p>Minus one goblin isn't a problem. And if it makes it easier for the Wizard to take out the rest with a Sleep spell, well, at least the Ranger got to contribute. At higher levels an alpha strike might happen anyway and won't take out even a single creature. Still not seeing the problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree, I'm not the greatest on the math, but it is not the same as a +5. The maximum roll is never increased. Plus advantage prevents it from stacking with the Barb ability that also provides advantage. Adding proficiency would allow it to improve whether you continued with Ranger or not. It would be an even better dip than currently.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is way different than Action Surge. I usually see Action Surge used near the beginning of a tough encounter to take out two enemies in the same round, or take down one tough one. Advantage on first round attacks just helps you take down one weak opponent, or weaken a tough one for someone else to take out later, thus giving the other player the kill, but at least you get the assist. Teamwork! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It also works for Rangers that use both ranged and melee or melee that is in range. So not completely useless, but it is something to keep in mind when judging its strength.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They gave extra movement and an extra attack on the first round to the Deep Stalker, which is perfect for a subclass that focuses on ambush and, well, stalking. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And if you aren't fighting humanoids it's worthless. While the +2 damage from Rage can only be used when the Barbarian is raging, he can choose when he wants to rage and also gets resistance to all physical attacks and advantage to all strength checks. That is way more powerful than Favored Enemy by itself. The Ranger needs more than just that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, but I don't think that is the case for any of the Ranger's 1st level abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just going to agree to disagree. Spellcasting has always been a part of the Ranger and should continue to be, IMHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord Twig, post: 7701225, member: 31754"] Minus one goblin isn't a problem. And if it makes it easier for the Wizard to take out the rest with a Sleep spell, well, at least the Ranger got to contribute. At higher levels an alpha strike might happen anyway and won't take out even a single creature. Still not seeing the problem. I disagree, I'm not the greatest on the math, but it is not the same as a +5. The maximum roll is never increased. Plus advantage prevents it from stacking with the Barb ability that also provides advantage. Adding proficiency would allow it to improve whether you continued with Ranger or not. It would be an even better dip than currently. It is way different than Action Surge. I usually see Action Surge used near the beginning of a tough encounter to take out two enemies in the same round, or take down one tough one. Advantage on first round attacks just helps you take down one weak opponent, or weaken a tough one for someone else to take out later, thus giving the other player the kill, but at least you get the assist. Teamwork! :) It also works for Rangers that use both ranged and melee or melee that is in range. So not completely useless, but it is something to keep in mind when judging its strength. They gave extra movement and an extra attack on the first round to the Deep Stalker, which is perfect for a subclass that focuses on ambush and, well, stalking. :) And if you aren't fighting humanoids it's worthless. While the +2 damage from Rage can only be used when the Barbarian is raging, he can choose when he wants to rage and also gets resistance to all physical attacks and advantage to all strength checks. That is way more powerful than Favored Enemy by itself. The Ranger needs more than just that. I agree, but I don't think that is the case for any of the Ranger's 1st level abilities. Just going to agree to disagree. Spellcasting has always been a part of the Ranger and should continue to be, IMHO. [/QUOTE]
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