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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4559207" data-attributes="member: 7635">Problem:There WAS going to be a Orcus Gargantuan figure. It was on display at D&D XP<img src="http://hordelings.com/cache/6ca52ae961903f768173c01c38bd1c90_550x-1x0.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />They produced the Orcus in the MM assuming this thing was going to be made and on sale in summer '08, just in time for 4e. But, they ended up "delaying" it for the Dracolich (also a gargantuan creature in MM 4e) and then delayed them both indefinitely.As KM would say, they were designed and put in the MM at that size with a certain level of "plastic logic" involved. I think the costs involved in that product overshadowed its potential value (As I said with Tiamat, how many times are you really going to fight Orcus?) so they were canned.I think if they had it to do again, both monsters would be Huge and fit in a Huge Pack, or whatever the DDM 3.0 version will be. They were designed with a certain logic that is no longer applicable. Tiamat managed to avoid this fate by being designed when the knowledge that the Icons line is pretty much dead. in other words, Orcus's size is a holdover from a different Plastic Logic mindset.</blockquote>