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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gorgoroth" data-source="post: 5686396" data-attributes="member: 6674889">wrong...This is wrong. Up until I quit 4e for good, yesterday, I paid repeatedly for the same feats again and again. Much of the internet time I spent analyzing my character options, were flushed down in a drain of feat tradeoffs, which as everyone admits, should have been fixed by a math fix instead of a feat. Because their "feat fix" didn't account for weapliment users, multi-weapon type users, and so on...and it has taken two years and even then not all options are fixed. Each level, we NEED to use the builder, because otherwise players will not write down 6 pages of powers updated with their latest bonuses. Many DMs, including mine, require CB-legal characters. Since there are no options for giving a single expertise away for free in the OCB, we have no choice but to keep paying DP Insider subs, monthly, until this is resolved.It costs 12 bucks a month up here in Canada. I value a six-pack more than I value that piece of garbage software, which I had to pay for to play the game, given the requirements I -- and many others here -- have.In comparison my PF Cleric has a two page handwritten sheet that I scribble a +1 to his BAB once every few levels. Even with all his spells, it's less hassle and error-prone than a 4e conditional bonuses blah blah on 15 powers printed out. The point is, their feat explosion "fix" is no fix at all, for a RAW Dm or anyone who plays at Dungeon Delves and so on.The cost of the printing of the PHB-2 is minuscule next to the amount of time we spend arguing about it (that's our fault, I guess...for playing this game to begin with). Some of us just get tired of playing the D&D builder meta-game which is a game of "sink your money" and up your frustration for years on end while glaring issues are not resolved. Keeping the plethora of now-outclassed feats like Versatile expertise and Weapon Expertise (X) accessible in the builder only goes to show...christmass tree sells more builder...it's stocking stuffer cotton candy that'll rot your teeth and give you a headache before bed.The value wasted in terms of man-hours on this and other forums debating this issue is a HUGE time sink, unless you are the sort of person who thinks corporations wasting people's time is a fun spectacle. I prefer not to play anymore, so I won't. This will be my last post on this topic, or other 4e topic. I've given my 4e books away today. Good riddance.</blockquote>

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