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<blockquote data-quote="Azzy" data-source="post: 8027889" data-attributes="member: 6563">Right, like the current MM says about the DM changing alignments as the see fit. Even if not immutable, however, demons being the exemplars of evil and angels being the exlemplars of good is the going to be the norm and inherent to their identity (not that they can't overcome that) as they are not products of nurture and envionment beings of pure cosmic force.Right, and this change is to reinforce that, that's all.No, I think it is more that this particular society is generally evil because of religious indoctrination (say, Gruumsh or Lolth, to continue the previous example) or other factors (for example, the Many Arrow tribe of Orcs in the Forgotten Realms), but another society of orcs may not be evil at all and live in harmony with their human neighbors (say, like in Eberron). And we can still call out individual members of these societies as deviating from their cultural norm (say, maybe a branch of the Many Arrow orcs have formed a mutual protection pact with a nearby tribe of Reghed barbarians).Well, not of the gods as presented in any of the settings (that I know of) are omnipotent, and while they mey meant to or desire to have their creations to be of their alignment, their creations have free will (this is borne out by the fact that there are already examples of individual that deviate from their god's alignment). So, instead, the god must use religious and cultural indoctrination to ensure its ethos is followed by its creation. So, it doesn't necessarily have to change the cosmology at all. Especially since the exceptions already exist.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Azzy, post: 8027889, member: 6563"] Right, like the current MM says about the DM changing alignments as the see fit. Even if not immutable, however, demons being the exemplars of evil and angels being the exlemplars of good is the going to be the norm and inherent to their identity (not that they can't overcome that) as they are not products of nurture and envionment beings of pure cosmic force. Right, and this change is to reinforce that, that's all. No, I think it is more that [I]this[/I] particular society is generally evil because of religious indoctrination (say, Gruumsh or Lolth, to continue the previous example) or other factors (for example, the Many Arrow tribe of Orcs in the Forgotten Realms), but another society of orcs may not be evil at all and live in harmony with their human neighbors (say, like in Eberron). And we can still call out individual members of these societies as deviating from their cultural norm (say, maybe a branch of the Many Arrow orcs have formed a mutual protection pact with a nearby tribe of Reghed barbarians). Well, not of the gods as presented in any of the settings (that I know of) are omnipotent, and while they mey meant to or desire to have their creations to be of their alignment, their creations have free will (this is borne out by the fact that there are already examples of individual that deviate from their god's alignment). So, instead, the god must use religious and cultural indoctrination to ensure its ethos is followed by its creation. So, it doesn't necessarily have to change the cosmology at all. Especially since the exceptions already exist. [/QUOTE]

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