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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8032194" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Sure, but his complaint is in-line with your complaint. Talking about "political correctness" (which is a slippery concept at the best of times, because what it actually means and how individuals use it are totally different things, and different individuals use it wildly differently) and "moral relativism" (flatly incorrectly - literally nothing the poster saying that mentioned involved "moral relativism", not even arguably) is unhelpful and prevents precisely the kind of discussion you're asking for.</p><p></p><p>I enjoy your posts a lot overall, and smile when I see that red-bearded dwarf, but you yourself are prone to using pretty extreme hyperbole, which can make it hard to have a reasonable discussion, not because you're unreasonable but largely because we have no idea what your actual feelings/concerns are. Hyperbole <em>obfuscates </em>what people actually think, because some people will use really extreme hyperbole relative to their actual fairly mild views, and some people will have views that are just so extreme they read as hyperbole, but aren't, and there are infinite places in-between, as well as people just misunderstanding things (and hyperbole makes this worse - I've seen countless times where someone on the internet made a hyperbolic statement, and then posters after that assumed it was literal fact). In some cases it's so extreme you can't even be certain what a poster is referring to.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, telling people that they're calling you a racist, when they explicitly aren't, is a good way to <em>end </em>a conversation, and prevent people engaging with you. What do you say to that? There's nothing you can say to someone who has decided that you're calling them a racist when you aren't. It's like discussions of privilege. Some people, the moment the term privilege comes out, flip their desk and rage out, and start screaming about how people are being totally unfair to them, you don't know their lives, and so on, which is profoundly missing the point. Privilege isn't an accusation or an attack, it's a thing that may or may not be the case. It's most often an issue when people offer solutions to problems, where privilege may lead them to certain assumptions about how the world works that are confounded by how it actually does for other people. Just because you have privilege doesn't make you "bad" any more than someone handing you $1000 makes you "bad". It doesn't change who you are at all. But some people just cannot not see it is an insult/attack to even mention it. What can you say to them?</p><p></p><p>As for alignment as a system, it's already been ripped out in 5E. It's not a system. It certainly was in 1E through 3E, in 4E it wasn't really, and in 5E it isn't. It's merely a summary of attitudes/behaviours at this point. I'm not sure why you're suggesting that it "shouldn't be ripped out". Short of a time machine, there's no way to un-rip it. And if you are again using hyperbole an expecting us to translate "ripping out alignment as a system" to "removing alignment defaults from races/monsters and/or making it clear alignment defaults are simply common, not facts", then that's a great example of how hyperbole harms the kind of discussion you're asking for.</p><p></p><p>Why not just not exaggerate? Say what you mean, instead of how it feels to you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8032194, member: 18"] Sure, but his complaint is in-line with your complaint. Talking about "political correctness" (which is a slippery concept at the best of times, because what it actually means and how individuals use it are totally different things, and different individuals use it wildly differently) and "moral relativism" (flatly incorrectly - literally nothing the poster saying that mentioned involved "moral relativism", not even arguably) is unhelpful and prevents precisely the kind of discussion you're asking for. I enjoy your posts a lot overall, and smile when I see that red-bearded dwarf, but you yourself are prone to using pretty extreme hyperbole, which can make it hard to have a reasonable discussion, not because you're unreasonable but largely because we have no idea what your actual feelings/concerns are. Hyperbole [I]obfuscates [/I]what people actually think, because some people will use really extreme hyperbole relative to their actual fairly mild views, and some people will have views that are just so extreme they read as hyperbole, but aren't, and there are infinite places in-between, as well as people just misunderstanding things (and hyperbole makes this worse - I've seen countless times where someone on the internet made a hyperbolic statement, and then posters after that assumed it was literal fact). In some cases it's so extreme you can't even be certain what a poster is referring to. Likewise, telling people that they're calling you a racist, when they explicitly aren't, is a good way to [I]end [/I]a conversation, and prevent people engaging with you. What do you say to that? There's nothing you can say to someone who has decided that you're calling them a racist when you aren't. It's like discussions of privilege. Some people, the moment the term privilege comes out, flip their desk and rage out, and start screaming about how people are being totally unfair to them, you don't know their lives, and so on, which is profoundly missing the point. Privilege isn't an accusation or an attack, it's a thing that may or may not be the case. It's most often an issue when people offer solutions to problems, where privilege may lead them to certain assumptions about how the world works that are confounded by how it actually does for other people. Just because you have privilege doesn't make you "bad" any more than someone handing you $1000 makes you "bad". It doesn't change who you are at all. But some people just cannot not see it is an insult/attack to even mention it. What can you say to them? As for alignment as a system, it's already been ripped out in 5E. It's not a system. It certainly was in 1E through 3E, in 4E it wasn't really, and in 5E it isn't. It's merely a summary of attitudes/behaviours at this point. I'm not sure why you're suggesting that it "shouldn't be ripped out". Short of a time machine, there's no way to un-rip it. And if you are again using hyperbole an expecting us to translate "ripping out alignment as a system" to "removing alignment defaults from races/monsters and/or making it clear alignment defaults are simply common, not facts", then that's a great example of how hyperbole harms the kind of discussion you're asking for. Why not just not exaggerate? Say what you mean, instead of how it feels to you. [/QUOTE]
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