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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8034402" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I see the problem I think.1) Same2) But why do the books for the meta-level of the game depict evil orcs?3) That's fine.  Do what makes sense for your campaign.4) But, I'm not talking about my campaign, I'm talking about the meta-level, I know I can change my campaign, but why are you against changing the meta and then just doing what makes sense for your campaign?5) Go back to step 1Talking about this at a campaign level isn't helping, we are talking at a meta level. And if we can just change the campaign to suit us, so can you. So, why should the meta level be restricted to only evil orcs?Using my own campaign since the meta DnD orc is all of those things? Orcs in my world are a people caught between their gods, currently Luthic and her priestesses rule, trying to rebuild the orcish people after the calamities and Gruumsh's hide-bound traditional laws. Traditional orcs believe in strength, only wielding weapons or wearing armor they gathered and created themselves, but the Orcs also have esoteric traditions including being the first bloodhunters to use those magic and rites to fight spirits and other undead. Going to try standard MM orcs now...Orcs are a people at war with the world, urged on by the rage and malice of their gods to take everything and destroy what is left. Everything weak is culled, while strength rules over all. I wish I could do better for the MM orcs, but, you know, that is about all they have for them.</blockquote>

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