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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Doug McCrae" data-source="post: 8034849" data-attributes="member: 21169">But that's the problem. Orcs have never been like tigers, mosquitoes, or locusts (if they were they would have neutral alignment in most editions). Orcs are almost exactly the same as humans. They are sentient, intelligent beings. They have language. They wear clothing. They use tools. They are social beings. They live in societies. They raise children.This is my summary of the issue, slightly expanded from a <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/wotc%E2%80%99s-official-announcement-about-diversity-races-and-d-d.672769/page-22#post-8015786" target="_blank">previous post</a>:1. Orcs and similar monsters are almost exactly the same as humans: shape, size, biological needs, bear children, social beings, etc.2. The respects in which they are not like humans correspond to racist ideas about non-white people: evil, bloodthirsty, devil worship, widespread cannibalism* and human** sacrifice, sexual threat, fecund, dominant "genetic" traits, bestial, physically superior, low intelligence, uncivilised, primitive, superstitious, always tribal, incapable of forming state societies.3. These traits are racial, biological, and inherited. This is the same as race "science", which started in the late 19th century and continues to the present day.4. Orcs and similar monsters do possess some real non-negative traits of non-white peoples - non-white skin, shamans and witch doctors, hobgoblin's Japanese-style armour, etc.*Referring to eating any sentient being not just their own kind**Or any other sentient beingThere have been concerns about orc (and other evil humanoid) children in D&D for decades. It's been a contentious point for almost as long as the game has existed.EDIT:This here is the problem. You say that orcs are "not something remotely like a real people" then you go on to say that they make fun opponents because... they are a lot like people!</blockquote>

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