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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 8038347" data-attributes="member: 6683613">Well, for starters, you're talking to people whom alignment does help as DMs and players. Are you trying to persuade us that this thing we're using, which seems not to be broken, is? Why?Okay. Imagine you're, I dunno, a Jacobite. And one day you happen across me, staunch anti-Jacobite that I am, launching into an attack on the supposed contradictions of Jacobitism. And in my attack, I attribute definitions, premises, and concepts to Jacobitism that no actual Jacobite would, not just once or twice, but again and again as my standard mode of argumentation. For you to decide that I did not actually understand Jacobitism would not be an assumption; it would be an observation. And if I were to protest, in spite of all the evidence, that I understood Jacobitism perfectly well -- how are you supposed to respond to that, beyond a simple "I'm sorry, but you clearly don't"?If chaotic alignments are explicitly stated to be anti-society, you have not quoted that statement. This premise is an invention of yours. The inference that you cannot have a chaotic society: an invention of yours. As you note, chaotic societies abound in D&D. But rather than assuming that your definition of chaotic is correct and therefore this is a contradiction, you ought instead to take this as a sign that perhaps your definition of chaotic is not entirely correct -- that the people who use alignment have a different understanding of that concept than that which you have asserted.</blockquote>

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