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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8040318" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Never said they weren't realistic, just that they cause problems at the table. Useful if you want to study the Minority Report as a DnD setting, but not great for a murder mystery. So, what use is the alignment to you then? You've dismantled their lore and made sure they run the gamut of LE to CE, so why does it matter if WoTC stops printing NE next to their names? You've never used that anyways. Honestly, I don't understand how you expect to convince anyone alignment is useful for information on how to run monsters if you fully admit you ignore it and give them whatever alignment and motivations suite you. Seems like that proves my point. WoTC could stop printing alignments in the MM going forward, and it wouldn't change anything about how you use it.Right, well, that isn't exactly a useful position to talk about Hag Covens then.Right, but the suggestion isn't all that useful if you look at it, and then decide to toss it out for something else. It is like saying it is great that McDonald's gives you fries with every meal instead of an al-carte option because you then tell them to swap your fries for a salad. Wouldn't it be easier to just the choice in the first place?  Ah, so your point was that Tribal societies are chaotic, because that makes the most sense for your interpretation of alignment, and therefore I was wrong. I love the idea that alignment has no problems because we change it and refuse interpretations that would make it seem like it has problems.Right, if you start from the conclusion then clearly the system looks like it works. Orc Society us chaotic, because the book says it is Chaotic, and therefore Chaotic societies exist and are Chaotic. But, you are missing a key point here. I was never talking about orc society. I was talking about Tribal societies. I could make a tribal society out of any group. So, what makes a Tribal or nomadic society chaotic? I mean, let us lay this out. We have a group of people living in a society. That society has codes and rules, the people follow these codes and rules, they allow leaders in the society to choose their profession and their life partners. Why are they considered more chaotic just because they travel instead of living in a city. This isn't a claim I'm just making up, I was told this straight up in this thread.A culture with no laws about land ownerhship is more chaotic, a nomadic culture is more chaotic, a tribal culture is more chaotic.Why? What aspects of Chaos are these details getting at? What makes these more Chaotic than a person living in a city? Is it because Orcs live in tribes, and orcs are chaotic because the book says so, and therefore all tribal people are more chaotic just by association?Yep, so beautiful and flexible it can say anything you want it to say, which makes it a perfect blank slate. Like a blank piece of paper.</blockquote>

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