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WotC's Jeremy Crawford Talks D&D Alignment Changes
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8041379" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I still think that devils are often described as obeying because they can't tear down their bosses, and fear punishment and reprisals. And Orcs would love to be the big boss, if they were strong enough to take the big boss on. Which means the motivations are the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>People keep giving lists of things alignment tells them about a monster. Which then applies perfectly to a different monster of a different alignment. </p><p></p><p>How many times do I have to show that CE, NE, and LE are overlapping each other and contradicting themselves before it is enough for people to stop telling me that alignment isn't confused and contradictory?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Um, what? </p><p></p><p>Goliaths, Firbolgs , Dwarves and Bugbears are all medium. </p><p></p><p>Size charts tell us that medium is between 4 ft and 8ft</p><p></p><p>Smallest dwarves can be is 4ft, right on the edge. Bugbears and Goliaths can't break 8 ft, Firbolgs just barely can break it, but that is a very rare circumstance. </p><p></p><p>Snakes do present an odd problem, being length instead of reach, but that is more a limitation of grid combat and square based minis than the fact that a 20 ft snake is considered huge. </p><p></p><p>I'm also not sure what you are refering to with centaurs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure they could, but most of those are pretty ridiculous. </p><p></p><p>Orcus and Juiblex are demon lords, so they should clearly be fiends. </p><p>Bahamut is a god, pretty sure gods count as celestial. </p><p>Dryads are fey. </p><p>Not sure were you get Merrow being Giants from, Monstrosities. </p><p>Will-o-Wisp is the soul of the dead, clearly undead. </p><p>Ankheg are Monstrosities. Generally beast is saved for things that are very similiar or identical to creatures from the real-world. Ankhegs are like ants, but they are ants the size of pick-up trucks, which never existed in the real world.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, a half-Dragon is interesting. It would be a similiar question to whether a half-elf is an elf or a human. Now, I would say they likely don't have enough draconic blood to be dragons. This is based off of kobolds and dragonborn as well, which are draconic, but humanoid. These are clear cut cases though, a spot where we have something whose nature is exactly in the middle, and defined by that middle line. </p><p></p><p>Fomorians are tricky because they have been defined as both. In 5e they are clearly giants who invaded the Feywild. Nothing about them would really make them Fey at this point.</p><p></p><p>Grick are defined as Monstrosities, to be an Abberration they would have to come from another plane, like the Far Realms. You could likely make them Aberrations relatively easily. Also note though, Monstrosity is explicitly a catch-all term for "everything else" so it is actually definitionally the term with the widest base of creatures. And the creatures easiest to flip into a different category.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, the corner case of Law vs Chaos, just half the alignment axis. </p><p></p><p>Because we have not once talked about Good and Evil vs each other, except as they are examples towards the issue of Law and Chaos.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? More?</p><p></p><p>I'm going to translate this to subclasses, using only the PHB and Xanathars.</p><p></p><p>School of magic matters for 11 subclasses out of....74. That is about 15%. And beyond that it is just magic refering to magic, and it doesn't have to be terrible specific most of the time. Detect magic being the only spell I can thing of that actively refers to magic school.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, alignment is supposed to help define every PC, NPC, Monster, Society, and Plane of Existence in the Multiverse. </p><p></p><p>I can play a Barbarian and completely ignore magic schools. Still talk about Alignment. Can build an entire culture of magic-hating dwarves, but I'll still need to talk about alignment. </p><p></p><p>It is far more pervasive than magic schools. And even then, magical schools tend to be much better defined with far fewer corner cases and strange interactions than alignment. </p><p></p><p>But, thanks for a fun diversion from the endless circle we've been caught in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8041379, member: 6801228"] I still think that devils are often described as obeying because they can't tear down their bosses, and fear punishment and reprisals. And Orcs would love to be the big boss, if they were strong enough to take the big boss on. Which means the motivations are the same. People keep giving lists of things alignment tells them about a monster. Which then applies perfectly to a different monster of a different alignment. How many times do I have to show that CE, NE, and LE are overlapping each other and contradicting themselves before it is enough for people to stop telling me that alignment isn't confused and contradictory? Um, what? Goliaths, Firbolgs , Dwarves and Bugbears are all medium. Size charts tell us that medium is between 4 ft and 8ft Smallest dwarves can be is 4ft, right on the edge. Bugbears and Goliaths can't break 8 ft, Firbolgs just barely can break it, but that is a very rare circumstance. Snakes do present an odd problem, being length instead of reach, but that is more a limitation of grid combat and square based minis than the fact that a 20 ft snake is considered huge. I'm also not sure what you are refering to with centaurs. Sure they could, but most of those are pretty ridiculous. Orcus and Juiblex are demon lords, so they should clearly be fiends. Bahamut is a god, pretty sure gods count as celestial. Dryads are fey. Not sure were you get Merrow being Giants from, Monstrosities. Will-o-Wisp is the soul of the dead, clearly undead. Ankheg are Monstrosities. Generally beast is saved for things that are very similiar or identical to creatures from the real-world. Ankhegs are like ants, but they are ants the size of pick-up trucks, which never existed in the real world. Now, a half-Dragon is interesting. It would be a similiar question to whether a half-elf is an elf or a human. Now, I would say they likely don't have enough draconic blood to be dragons. This is based off of kobolds and dragonborn as well, which are draconic, but humanoid. These are clear cut cases though, a spot where we have something whose nature is exactly in the middle, and defined by that middle line. Fomorians are tricky because they have been defined as both. In 5e they are clearly giants who invaded the Feywild. Nothing about them would really make them Fey at this point. Grick are defined as Monstrosities, to be an Abberration they would have to come from another plane, like the Far Realms. You could likely make them Aberrations relatively easily. Also note though, Monstrosity is explicitly a catch-all term for "everything else" so it is actually definitionally the term with the widest base of creatures. And the creatures easiest to flip into a different category. Sure, the corner case of Law vs Chaos, just half the alignment axis. Because we have not once talked about Good and Evil vs each other, except as they are examples towards the issue of Law and Chaos. Really? More? I'm going to translate this to subclasses, using only the PHB and Xanathars. School of magic matters for 11 subclasses out of....74. That is about 15%. And beyond that it is just magic refering to magic, and it doesn't have to be terrible specific most of the time. Detect magic being the only spell I can thing of that actively refers to magic school. Meanwhile, alignment is supposed to help define every PC, NPC, Monster, Society, and Plane of Existence in the Multiverse. I can play a Barbarian and completely ignore magic schools. Still talk about Alignment. Can build an entire culture of magic-hating dwarves, but I'll still need to talk about alignment. It is far more pervasive than magic schools. And even then, magical schools tend to be much better defined with far fewer corner cases and strange interactions than alignment. But, thanks for a fun diversion from the endless circle we've been caught in. [/QUOTE]
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