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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8042319" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Ah, I see. To you &quot;prone to acting on a whim&quot; doesn't mean that they are prone to acting as they like with little thought to consequence. (My interpretation just to make that clear) Instead you seem to want it to mean that they literally never plan anything, that they put no thought into their actions whatsoever. That's a problem if you want to look at, well, any Demon Lord ever, Formorians, heck, even Slaad. See, they put thought into things, like those slave breeding camps I mentioned. Thank you for the apology. As we discussed previously, in the real world, there are objective facts that can be seen, and compared, for both Inductive and Deductive reasoning. And I think also that your example breaks down because &quot;Dog&quot; is not a category in the same way that &quot;Lawful Evil&quot; is. Yes, dogs are things that bark. But Sea Lions are sea creatures, with flippers and a flat tail. They only have two limbs instead of four. Their ears are much smaller and they are nearly furless. All of those facts move Sea Lions away from &quot;dog&quot; But, Sea Lions and dogs do share traits, because they are both Mammals and Carnivores. They fit within a larger category that shares traits. So, your example is very specific and would be closer to defining &quot;what is a minotaur&quot; and not looking at &quot;what makes this massive swath of creatures all share the same designation of {X}&quot;. To apply the kind of high level organization here to your example, you'd have to show that Birds and Plants are very similiar. That is the kind of thing we are discussing, not very specific organisms.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8042319, member: 6801228"] Ah, I see. To you "prone to acting on a whim" doesn't mean that they are prone to acting as they like with little thought to consequence. (My interpretation just to make that clear) Instead you seem to want it to mean that they literally never plan anything, that they put no thought into their actions whatsoever. That's a problem if you want to look at, well, any Demon Lord ever, Formorians, heck, even Slaad. See, they put thought into things, like those slave breeding camps I mentioned. Thank you for the apology. As we discussed previously, in the real world, there are objective facts that can be seen, and compared, for [B][U]both[/U][/B] Inductive and Deductive reasoning. And I think also that your example breaks down because "Dog" is not a category in the same way that "Lawful Evil" is. Yes, dogs are things that bark. But Sea Lions are sea creatures, with flippers and a flat tail. They only have two limbs instead of four. Their ears are much smaller and they are nearly furless. All of those facts move Sea Lions away from "dog" But, Sea Lions and dogs do share traits, because they are both Mammals and Carnivores. They fit within a larger category that shares traits. So, your example is very specific and would be closer to defining "what is a minotaur" and not looking at "what makes this massive swath of creatures all share the same designation of {X}". To apply the kind of high level organization here to your example, you'd have to show that Birds and Plants are very similiar. That is the kind of thing we are discussing, not very specific organisms. [/QUOTE]

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