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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jsaving" data-source="post: 8045916" data-attributes="member: 16726">When 4e design lead Andy Collins was asked about that, he said chaotic individuals care about freedom because they are self-interested which is just a 30 degree pivot from selfishness.  Lawful characters on the other hand care about the collective which he saw as being just a 30 degree pivot from working toward the good of all.  Viewed from that perspective, you can see why the 4e team couldn't relate to CG/CN/LN/LE and thought it best those self-contradictory alignments be dropped from the game.Whereas a lot of players would say, wait a minute, caring about the collective is often just a smoke-screen for making other people do what you say whereas standing up for people's right to be left alone is the best way to protect people from society's often-retrograde shackles on what they can say or do.  Viewed from that perspective, you'd not only find the 4e team's take inexplicable but might even be angered that the alignments with which you identify (CG/CN in particular) have suddenly been labeled so out-of-bounds that they don't merit a place in the ruleset.</blockquote>