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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jsaving" data-source="post: 8046072" data-attributes="member: 16726">The real question is whether you start from the presumption that "working together" helps the weak or inevitably becomes the vehicle of their oppression.  You are totally right that if you claim to believe in personal freedom but think the collective good is best served by putting that aside, then you aren't CG.  However a truly CG person wouldn't accept your premise that order promotes the collective good, nor would they countenance creating societal structure out of a misguided (to them) sense that it would be best for all.Now, you might completely disagree with the CG outlook and say wow, someone with that point of view is hopelessly naive about the scale of humanity's suffering and actually quite dangerous because their anti-law views are going to unintentionally block goodness from happening.  But on the flip side, the CG person is saying wow, LGs are hopelessly naive in their belief that power won't corrupt and are actually quite dangerous because their pro-law views are going to unintentionally block goodness from happening.  And it's that conflict that makes LG versus CG interesting, in my view at least.</blockquote>