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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8046078" data-attributes="member: 22779">I would totally agree with this, but, that's not how demons and devils are presented.  At least, not in 3e.  Demons were presented as perfectly capable of long term planning, working with others, scheming and plotting.  IOW, acting exactly the same as devils.  To me, I look at it like this.A demon comes to town and isn't stopped - Result:  There is a smoking crater where the town used to be.  At the bottom of the crater is a heap of bones with the demon sitting on top, picking his teeth with a child's thighbone.  A demonic incursion is a malevolent natural disaster.  It's the equivalent of an intelligent, malevolent, tornado that doesn't stop until everything is destroyed.A devil comes to town and isn't stopped.  Result:  The town prospers, becoming more and more insular, willing to sacrifice anything and anyone for the prosperity brought by the devil.  It's okay to sacrifice a couple of first born children in order that everyone prospers.  If the town continues, unopposed, it becomes warlike, using it's wealth and prosperity to dominate neighboring communities and bring them under control, feeding the devil that sits on top of a spiritual Ponzi scheme, sucking in souls and gaining in power, which it then uses to aid the town to bring more area under control.  It's a far more insidious, and frankly effective, evil.When there's no practical difference between demons and devils, alignment has been chucked out the window.</blockquote>

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