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WotC's Jeremy Crawford Talks D&D Alignment Changes
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8047131" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>That is what the word "or" is for. </p><p></p><p>You can choose to appear as a creature type (elf) or an alignment (Chaotic Good). But, really the power of this is simple. Take a Succubus. They learn this spell (or have someone cast it for them) now they register as an Angel to any spell effect that tries to detect what they are. </p><p></p><p>And, in the world you want, creatures do have alignments, so this would still work to cause people to appear as "good" (actually they are evil) or "evil" (actually they are good) and send this entire edifice of using magic to prove someone's alignment crashing down.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem I have with what I think you are saying here, is that we therefore don't have definitions. So, in Neutral when it says "is the alignment of those who prefer to steer clear of moral questions and don't take sides, doing what seems best at the time" that simply becomes a list of behaviors. Someone who is neutral might steer clear of morality, and only do what seems best in the moment. </p><p></p><p>So, would a noble thief who acts for his own pleasure and amusement, saving damsels and robbing them in the same night, who also would fight to the death to save a child, but wave off questions of good and evil with a "pah, that stuff is for scholars, I just want to live a life with no regrets" be neutral or chaotic good. </p><p></p><p>I can't tell you, he fits both "list of examples" Heck, since he is also helping people and only robbing from the rish who are less harmed by it he can also fit the example of Neutral Good "do the best they can to help others according to their means" </p><p></p><p>And, with no definitions, and only examples which are far less stringent to meet, we now have multiple examples from multiple categories fitting the same character. So, we are back to square 1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8047131, member: 6801228"] That is what the word "or" is for. You can choose to appear as a creature type (elf) or an alignment (Chaotic Good). But, really the power of this is simple. Take a Succubus. They learn this spell (or have someone cast it for them) now they register as an Angel to any spell effect that tries to detect what they are. And, in the world you want, creatures do have alignments, so this would still work to cause people to appear as "good" (actually they are evil) or "evil" (actually they are good) and send this entire edifice of using magic to prove someone's alignment crashing down. The problem I have with what I think you are saying here, is that we therefore don't have definitions. So, in Neutral when it says "is the alignment of those who prefer to steer clear of moral questions and don't take sides, doing what seems best at the time" that simply becomes a list of behaviors. Someone who is neutral might steer clear of morality, and only do what seems best in the moment. So, would a noble thief who acts for his own pleasure and amusement, saving damsels and robbing them in the same night, who also would fight to the death to save a child, but wave off questions of good and evil with a "pah, that stuff is for scholars, I just want to live a life with no regrets" be neutral or chaotic good. I can't tell you, he fits both "list of examples" Heck, since he is also helping people and only robbing from the rish who are less harmed by it he can also fit the example of Neutral Good "do the best they can to help others according to their means" And, with no definitions, and only examples which are far less stringent to meet, we now have multiple examples from multiple categories fitting the same character. So, we are back to square 1 [/QUOTE]
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