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WotC's Jeremy Crawford Talks D&D Alignment Changes
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8049032" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>And if you say you are playing your alignment, and the DM disagrees with you... what then? I have disagreed with almost half of the alignment definitions I've seen on this thread. So, that would lead to this exact scenario where I'm playing my interpretation of the alignment, and then the DM tells me I'm a different alignment.</p><p></p><p>Do I argue with them over moral philosophy? I've had a few posters on this thread tell me that not writing an alignment is fine, but I better watch out if I encounter certain monsters or magic items, because they will know my "true" alignment and cause me problems, so this isn't something I can just ignore.</p><p></p><p>And if it is something I can just ignore, then why does the DM care enough to take control of my character sheet and rewrite it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Says who? Breaking the law can get you in serious trouble, too much of a hassle, much easier to do things the legal way. </p><p></p><p>Also, LG guy would like to talk to you about that tax evasion we found in your letters, he feels that you owe the state quite a bit. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And the DM is free to alter those actions to fit whatever box he deems necessary, I guess.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, you don't care about the rules of 5e. You care about the rules of 2e. </p><p></p><p>Which again, great for you and your playstyle developed over decades. But for the player who discovered DnD last month, and decided to DM with his buddies, 2e and your decades of expeirence are nearly meaningless. They have the 5e PHB and the rules within it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It sounds like we have had some miscommunication then, because if you were basing your response on the idea that alignment within the world of DnD being subjective was the problem, that is not the problem. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem is that alignment is subjective and poorly defined in our universe, as the game rules, where we have to try and take this vague grouping of ideas and apply them as objective truths to the universe, but still keep the tropes and conflicts that come about from subjective points of view in the real world. </p><p></p><p>There are the problems I listed with objective truths that are clearly knowable in the DnD worlds, but in our world the problem is that the alignment system is contradictory and applies equally validly to dozens of set-ups, making it nearly useless as a definitional tool.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8049032, member: 6801228"] And if you say you are playing your alignment, and the DM disagrees with you... what then? I have disagreed with almost half of the alignment definitions I've seen on this thread. So, that would lead to this exact scenario where I'm playing my interpretation of the alignment, and then the DM tells me I'm a different alignment. Do I argue with them over moral philosophy? I've had a few posters on this thread tell me that not writing an alignment is fine, but I better watch out if I encounter certain monsters or magic items, because they will know my "true" alignment and cause me problems, so this isn't something I can just ignore. And if it is something I can just ignore, then why does the DM care enough to take control of my character sheet and rewrite it? Says who? Breaking the law can get you in serious trouble, too much of a hassle, much easier to do things the legal way. Also, LG guy would like to talk to you about that tax evasion we found in your letters, he feels that you owe the state quite a bit. And the DM is free to alter those actions to fit whatever box he deems necessary, I guess. Right, you don't care about the rules of 5e. You care about the rules of 2e. Which again, great for you and your playstyle developed over decades. But for the player who discovered DnD last month, and decided to DM with his buddies, 2e and your decades of expeirence are nearly meaningless. They have the 5e PHB and the rules within it. It sounds like we have had some miscommunication then, because if you were basing your response on the idea that alignment within the world of DnD being subjective was the problem, that is not the problem. The problem is that alignment is subjective and poorly defined in our universe, as the game rules, where we have to try and take this vague grouping of ideas and apply them as objective truths to the universe, but still keep the tropes and conflicts that come about from subjective points of view in the real world. There are the problems I listed with objective truths that are clearly knowable in the DnD worlds, but in our world the problem is that the alignment system is contradictory and applies equally validly to dozens of set-ups, making it nearly useless as a definitional tool. [/QUOTE]
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