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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8049501" data-attributes="member: 6801228">sighYou said that mortal minds could not possibly understand it. Newtonians physics is a bad example, because you literally just laid out a path that people could take to understand it. I go to these people who lack the language and math to understand newtonian physics. I teach them language. I teach the nath. Now they can understand Newtonian physics. Therefore Newtonian physics can be understood by mortal minds. Which should be obvious, since Newton was a mortal mind. I can't even type something that would be incomprehensible to mortal minds. I can't think it. Because I am a mortal mind. I'm taking your claim at face value, that alignment would truly be incomprehensible to mortal minds, and you realize that that means, the DM playing the God doesn't even understand it. He can't, because if he did, then it could be explained to the players, and if it can be explained to the players, it can be explained to their characters. In fact, imagine that scene, but with a part two.The Paladin turns his face to the sky and asks, "Why?" the gods answer... "You would not understand if you devoted your life to it for your entire span on Oerth."The player says, "Okay, but DM, why?" The DM answers "You would not understand if you devoted your life to it for your entire span on Earth."Because the moment the DM answers why, then alignment is explainable, and that cosmic truth the Paladin couldn't understand is obvious to everyone at the table.Another really poor example. Let us say you use "Detect Alignment" and detect that someone if Good. Wonderful. How did they get Good? By doing Good deeds? What are those, can "Detect Alignment" show us what a "good deed" is? Is there any spell that can highlight the moment a good deed is done? How can you tell the difference between a Good person doing a good deed, and a good person doing a neutral deed? As far as I'm aware, you can't. Alignment ends up working like a switch. You are Good until you aren't, and that is all that can be observed. But let me switch this around, because this is getting very far in the weeds. Why do you want an objective Alignment system that no one can understand or express, but definitely exists? Max states that it is because soemone then can be right, even if no one knows it. But, how about you, what value is there is setting this system up where the Gods can't explain it, people can't understand it, but it inevitably true and affects everything.</blockquote>

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