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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7668708" data-attributes="member: 22779">Really?&nbsp; In all your posts, you've never called 4e a failure?&nbsp; Ever?&nbsp; Never ever?&nbsp; Somehow I find that hard to believe, but, it's true, stranger things have happened.But, yes, of course 5e was funded by the rerelease of pdf's, because, obviously, nothing 4e could possibly make money in order to fund anything.I mean, good grief.&nbsp; We have a pretty good idea that DDi had somewhere in the neighbourhood of 50k-100k subscribers during the 5e development.&nbsp; That number was tested and retested a number of times and shown to go up or down when you subscribed and went on the WOTC forums.&nbsp; So, it's a fairly solid number.Do you honestly believe that D&amp;D reprints are making several million dollars per year?&nbsp; Really?&nbsp; Never mind that it was what, late 2012, early 2013 before Drive Thru RPG started selling the reprints again.&nbsp; The first playtest packet came out in late 2012, IIRC.&nbsp; How were the pdf's funding development?&nbsp; What, they decided to close their doors, and just hope that the reprints would pay the bills?&nbsp; In a publicly owned company?&nbsp; Do you honestly believe that's how things work?This isn't about &quot;poor 4e victims&quot; here.&nbsp; This is about the wilful rewriting AGAIN of history.&nbsp; As I said, it's pretty bloody obvious that the only reason that the DDi couldn't have funded 5e, is because people are invested in the idea that 4e must be a failure in all things.&nbsp; Because if it wasn't a failure in all things, that calls into question what things it might have been successful at.&nbsp; And we obviously can't have that.&nbsp; All things 4e must be excised from D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7668708, member: 22779"] Really? In all your posts, you've never called 4e a failure? Ever? Never ever? Somehow I find that hard to believe, but, it's true, stranger things have happened. But, yes, of course 5e was funded by the rerelease of pdf's, because, obviously, nothing 4e could possibly make money in order to fund anything. I mean, good grief. We have a pretty good idea that DDi had somewhere in the neighbourhood of 50k-100k subscribers during the 5e development. That number was tested and retested a number of times and shown to go up or down when you subscribed and went on the WOTC forums. So, it's a fairly solid number. Do you honestly believe that D&D reprints are making several million dollars per year? Really? Never mind that it was what, late 2012, early 2013 before Drive Thru RPG started selling the reprints again. The first playtest packet came out in late 2012, IIRC. How were the pdf's funding development? What, they decided to close their doors, and just hope that the reprints would pay the bills? In a publicly owned company? Do you honestly believe that's how things work? This isn't about "poor 4e victims" here. This is about the wilful rewriting AGAIN of history. As I said, it's pretty bloody obvious that the only reason that the DDi couldn't have funded 5e, is because people are invested in the idea that 4e must be a failure in all things. Because if it wasn't a failure in all things, that calls into question what things it might have been successful at. And we obviously can't have that. All things 4e must be excised from D&D. [/QUOTE]

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