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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 7668757" data-attributes="member: 18182">Oh good lord.NONE of us know exactly how and where the dollars flow from and to at WotC. And, frankly, WHO CARES!?!?! The SIMPLE point (IMO) Iosue is trying to make is that 4E was successful, brought in a lot of money, and persuaded the folks at WotC/Hasbro to give the game another edition rather than mothball it.The idea that 4E was a &quot;failure&quot;, financially or otherwise, is tired fanbashing with no basis in reality. Obviously, 4E began to tail off in profitability towards the end of its cycle, and for various good reasons WotC felt that a different approach was needed to make D&amp;D sustainable over the long term. But to say 4E was a failure because it is no longer being published would also be to say that 3E was a failure, and all prior editions before. Which is not the case.But the 4E core books outsold all prior editions, brought in new fans, and added to the &quot;legacy&quot; of D&amp;D both in rules and setting. It made WotC a ton of money (although, not Magic money, of course), it was successful enough that the folks in charge didn't need to think, &quot;Should we really continue to be printing D&amp;D products?&quot; Instead they thought, &quot;We want to make as much money as 4E brought in again, but we don't want a 6th edition restart in four years! We want a sustainable profit that will last decades!&quot;So far, seems to be working. 5E core books has outsold the 4E core already, which is itself a trend (each edition has outsold the one prior, if you don't count &quot;half editions&quot; like player's option or essentials).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 7668757, member: 18182"] Oh good lord. NONE of us know exactly how and where the dollars flow from and to at WotC. And, frankly, WHO CARES!?!?! The SIMPLE point (IMO) Iosue is trying to make is that 4E was successful, brought in a lot of money, and persuaded the folks at WotC/Hasbro to give the game another edition rather than mothball it. The idea that 4E was a "failure", financially or otherwise, is tired fanbashing with no basis in reality. Obviously, 4E began to tail off in profitability towards the end of its cycle, and for various good reasons WotC felt that a different approach was needed to make D&D sustainable over the long term. But to say 4E was a failure because it is no longer being published would also be to say that 3E was a failure, and all prior editions before. Which is not the case. But the 4E core books outsold all prior editions, brought in new fans, and added to the "legacy" of D&D both in rules and setting. It made WotC a ton of money (although, not Magic money, of course), it was successful enough that the folks in charge didn't need to think, "Should we really continue to be printing D&D products?" Instead they thought, "We want to make as much money as 4E brought in again, but we don't want a 6th edition restart in four years! We want a sustainable profit that will last decades!" So far, seems to be working. 5E core books has outsold the 4E core already, which is itself a trend (each edition has outsold the one prior, if you don't count "half editions" like player's option or essentials). [/QUOTE]

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