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[WotC's recent insanity] I think I've Figured It Out
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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 5414175" data-attributes="member: 65637"><p>"WotC developers care and put passion into what they do."</p><p>"OK BUT SOME PEOPLE HATE IT!"</p><p></p><p>Utterly irrelevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Prove it. Go on, show me a situation or a class in 4e where the mechanics run against the class. Tell me which 4e class is so awful in mechanics that the fluff just doesn't work.</p><p></p><p>Because that sounds far more like 3e then anything else. Ahhh, 3e. Where fighters are some of the worst at fighting, where paladins are utterly inept at smiting evil, and where druids and clerics make the best front liners.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or maybe I can make a concise argument without writing a thesis.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh certainly at levels 1-3 the wizard actually is (relatively) frail. But here's a few catches you missed.</p><p></p><p>1) Summon Monster. Who needs a fighter when I can literally create <em>several</em> meat shields?</p><p></p><p>2) Mirror image. Actually protects you better then AC does!</p><p></p><p>3) Blur. Again, better then AC at protecting you!</p><p></p><p>4) Invisibility. Can't kill what you can't see</p><p></p><p>These are level two spells. Well, Summon Monster is actually a level <em>one</em> spell. Then you hit level three spells and you are now <em>flying</em> and the concerns of being attacked all but vaporizes.</p><p></p><p>If there's anything you've taught me, it's that, indeed, people who don't understand the incredible potential of the wizard don't break the universe with it. In the same way that someone who plays as Poseidon then spends all their time swimming with dolphins isn't exactly utilizing their powers as a god.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 5414175, member: 65637"] "WotC developers care and put passion into what they do." "OK BUT SOME PEOPLE HATE IT!" Utterly irrelevant. Prove it. Go on, show me a situation or a class in 4e where the mechanics run against the class. Tell me which 4e class is so awful in mechanics that the fluff just doesn't work. Because that sounds far more like 3e then anything else. Ahhh, 3e. Where fighters are some of the worst at fighting, where paladins are utterly inept at smiting evil, and where druids and clerics make the best front liners. Or maybe I can make a concise argument without writing a thesis. Oh certainly at levels 1-3 the wizard actually is (relatively) frail. But here's a few catches you missed. 1) Summon Monster. Who needs a fighter when I can literally create [I]several[/I] meat shields? 2) Mirror image. Actually protects you better then AC does! 3) Blur. Again, better then AC at protecting you! 4) Invisibility. Can't kill what you can't see These are level two spells. Well, Summon Monster is actually a level [I]one[/I] spell. Then you hit level three spells and you are now [I]flying[/I] and the concerns of being attacked all but vaporizes. If there's anything you've taught me, it's that, indeed, people who don't understand the incredible potential of the wizard don't break the universe with it. In the same way that someone who plays as Poseidon then spends all their time swimming with dolphins isn't exactly utilizing their powers as a god. [/QUOTE]
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