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<blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 5414202" data-attributes="member: 1106">I'm sorry, but your argument strikes me as one of these theoretical ones without basis in gameplay, in that summoned monsters are weak, don't expect to do anything offensive if you're invisible, and blur and mirror image are no plate mail.&nbsp; I take it you've never had a high level wizard whose spells bounce off of everything in sight, much to your frustration.&nbsp; I think you've shown without a doubt that you're an armchair general here, as those defensive spells take up slots, are of limited duration, and summoned monsters get summarily belted.&nbsp; In short, I'm not sure you know what you're talking about, although certain combos like scry/prep/teleport or find the path/windwalk can be &quot;gawdlike&quot; in their effect on the campaign if used unsportingly.Are you thinking of some artificial scenario whereby, say, the campaign is using all 2E spell compendiums and the magic-user gains access to &quot;all known spells&quot; such as in the FR adventure with the insane teacher lich?&nbsp; Because there's a large gap between that and, say, BECMI, where the spell options are severely limited, and your argument completely falls apart unless you're creative in your use of clothform and woodform...Of course, if we're talking artificial situations where you just &quot;unload&quot; for a single encounter, a fully buffed and outfitted 3E CoDzilla is probably going to do a better gawd impression, but that doesn't suit your argument at all.&nbsp; Or if there was no time to prepare and no bodyguards, a fighter would be the choice (and would do the best Achilles impression of course).&nbsp; Think you might have to go back to the drawing board....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rounser, post: 5414202, member: 1106"] I'm sorry, but your argument strikes me as one of these theoretical ones without basis in gameplay, in that summoned monsters are weak, don't expect to do anything offensive if you're invisible, and blur and mirror image are no plate mail. I take it you've never had a high level wizard whose spells bounce off of everything in sight, much to your frustration. I think you've shown without a doubt that you're an armchair general here, as those defensive spells take up slots, are of limited duration, and summoned monsters get summarily belted. In short, I'm not sure you know what you're talking about, although certain combos like scry/prep/teleport or find the path/windwalk can be "gawdlike" in their effect on the campaign if used unsportingly. Are you thinking of some artificial scenario whereby, say, the campaign is using all 2E spell compendiums and the magic-user gains access to "all known spells" such as in the FR adventure with the insane teacher lich? Because there's a large gap between that and, say, BECMI, where the spell options are severely limited, and your argument completely falls apart unless you're creative in your use of clothform and woodform... Of course, if we're talking artificial situations where you just "unload" for a single encounter, a fully buffed and outfitted 3E CoDzilla is probably going to do a better gawd impression, but that doesn't suit your argument [i]at all[/i]. Or if there was no time to prepare and no bodyguards, a fighter would be the choice (and would do the best Achilles impression of course). Think you might have to go back to the drawing board.... [/QUOTE]

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